Shotgun ammo help.... Question...

[RonnieP]

Look at that spread. What was the range? If we were going with the 1meter = 1 inch spread, that seems to be about 20ish meters. Also notice how there is no signs of the wading on his back.

[prc77]

First off, That spread on his back is NOT close range. Shoot a patterning board at 20ft and the spread is about the size of a softball. A modified choke at 20 yds is a 20" spread with #7.5...

Yes, everyone will agree that Birdshot is less lethal than buck/slugs at a distance. A shot to the chest with bird shot will not only stun the assailant but im sure it will temporarily stop him. If he is within 20 ft it will kill him. That will give you enough time to rack another load and fire again with your family on high alert. If the assailant is close it will most definitely punch a hole into them. Ever shoot a piece of plywood at close range with birdshot? Try it yourself and tell me if a person can live through that.

Again, if i had no one else in my home it would be 100% #1 Buck shot. But if you have a family to think about its going to be a bit different.

I would think that MOST HD shotguns 18"&20" barrels have a Cyl choke, not Mod.

[Joe'Bronco]

People have died because their ammunition didn't penetrate deep enough.

I call BS

Give me one example Of someone taking a shot of #7.5 to the chest at less than 20' (the average hallway length) and still killing the person who shot them.

[AAShooter]

Although I can't find references off the top of my head, I recall cases where law enforcement officers have had to use multiple shots of buckshot to stop an adversary.

Besides, you may need to engage an attacker are further than 20'.

[ElToro]

Bird shot is for birds. Please us buckshot for HD. pheasants are not tough animals. many times i have seen one hit with say #5 or 6 bird shot at 20-40 feet and they are only winged and still flopping around some times almost running away until you or your dog catch it and snap its neck. Didnt dick Cheney blast his friend at almost point blank and he lived ? Keep what u want in your HD gun but I will stay with 00 in the pipe.

[HOGLEG]

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14.htm Shows penetration of 556 and buckshot/birdshot through drywall. Shotgun stuff is on the end pages.

http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=176 Good write up on defensive shotgun rounds. Recommendations and use.

http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#SHOTGUN%20AMMUNITION

Just more info to help you make a choice.

[CessnaDriver]

The Federal Tactical LE127 00 can be hard to find right now. Very hard I've been looking for more.

Hornady makes a similar product that also has a "FliteControl" wad called VersaTite, I think they both just
payed the inventor and give it a different name. it's easier to find right now.

[negolien]

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14.htmShows penetration of 556 and buckshot/birdshot through drywall. Shotgun stuff is on the end pages.

http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=176 Good write up on defensive shotgun rounds. Recommendations and use.

http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#SHOTGUN%20AMMUNITION

Just more info to help you make a choice.

The 1st link doesn't work. The 2nd link gives some bad information.The last link doesn't have any shotgun information. Any 12 gauge shotgun load at point blank will most definitely will go thru a wall.

Birdshot at close range won't go thru a wall eh? I beg to differ sir. I also am 100% sure Buckshot will go thru multiple walls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-f-D8Wx73pU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gq3RVvL9ZjU

[Joe'Bronco]

The 1st link doesn't work. The 2nd link gives some bad information.The last link doesn't have any shotgun information. Any 12 gauge shotgun load at point blank will most definitely will go thru a wall.

Birdshot at close range won't go thru a wall eh? I beg to differ sir. I also am 100% sure Buckshot will go thru multiple walls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-f-D8Wx73pU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=gq3RVvL9ZjU

Great videos! These are proof that bird shot WILL kill and not penetrate thru multiple walls. Not just "opinions". Still waiting on someone to give me even one example Of someone taking a shot of #7.5 to the chest at less than 20' and still killing the person who shot them.

I will still say that YES bird shot is not the best for everyone and every situation. Know your home & surroundings and know whats good for your situation. Have a plan and make sure everyone knows it.

[HOGLEG]

Birdshot at close range won't go thru a wall eh? I beg to differ sir.

I never said that.

Fixed the first link. It should work. It's basically showing the same results that your video shows.http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14.htm

[NapalmCheese]

That link sums it up with:

4. Birdshot does not excessively penetrate drywall walls. But it does not penetrate deeply enough to reach a bad guy's vital organs. Birdshot makes a nasty but shallow wound. It is not a good Stopper.

Use Birdshot for little birds. Use 00 Buckshot for bad guys.

Though my preference from point of view is for #4 buck and being able to reliably hit what I'm aiming at.

[negolien]

"Birdshot lacks penetration to reach vital organs" is a myth. People need to stop thinking birdshot is not lethal That's 100% not true.


I agree people need to decide which loads to use in "their" environment..Not every defense plan or weapon is going to be the catch all way to defend yourself. Though people DO need the proper facts when putting a plan together. In my case...I live in apartment with neighbors on 3 sides and a roomate. This situation makes penetration super important for my defensive plane of action. If I lived on a farm all by myself slugs and buckshot would probably be the way to go. Making good decisions before the need for deadly force arises will make the differance in if you and your family live or die or you spend 25 years in prison. Just like an escape plan in case of a fire in your home. Providing a plan of action will make the differance imo.

[bigbossman]

"Birdshot lacks penetration to reach vital organs" is a myth. People need to stop thinking birdshot is not lethal That's 100% not true.

I was standing next to a guy once that dropped a charging pig with a 20 gauge Mossberg 500, loaded with #8 bird-shot. We were hunting quail and the dog spooked it out from under a tree. He let it get to within 5 yards or so, and hit it between the eyes.

Granted the pig was only about 120lbs or so, but at that range the birdshot behaved almost like a slug.

After seeing that first hand, I can tell you for sure that I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end.

[Joe'Bronco]

Opinions are opinions
Facts are facts

Yes bird shot kills at close range
No it will not penetrate multiple walls

All the links you have posted against birdshot as HD are either people voicing options with no facts to back them up OR the videos that have "proof" are at greater distances than one would see in a typical home.

If over penetration is not important to you now, when SHTF and Big Bubba is you new roommate... Over "penetration" won't be important to him either.

[OIFVet03]

Birdshot won't be as bad on the walls but you will still stop the threat with birdshot.