Shotgun ammo help.... Question...

[JagerDog]

All of the talk about bird shot is for birds, is just talk. In 1978 my partner was promoted to sgt.
On Labor Day weekend of that year, he and his roommate were ambushed as they returned home. He was shot with a .410, loaded with bird shot, at close range. Before he died, he got off 5 rounds from his .38. The suspect was hit 5 times in the upper torso and ran about 50 yards before he died.

All of you keyboard ballistic experts can bite me and STFU.

First...sorry about your partner.

Second...exactly. From the BG's perspective, the threat was not stopped until he could return (accurately even) fire. It's not about what eventually kills the BG, it's about stopping the threat in the most expeditious manner.

The .38, with the loads of the day, were lacking as well.

[bernieb90]

First...sorry about your partner.

Second...exactly. From the BG's perspective, the threat was not stopped until he could return (accurately even) fire. It's not about what eventually kills the BG, it's about stopping the threat in the most expeditious manner.

The .38, with the loads of the day, were lacking as well.

That is exactly right. The fact that the bad guy will eventually die is no consolation to my family. Some guys have a lot of fight in them even with wounds that would eventually prove fatal (Miami FBI shoot out comes to mind).

People keep mentioning how birdshot is not lethal through walls. What happens if the bad guy does something crazy like use a wall as cover. If he has a hangun, and you are loaded with birdshot he is behind cover, and you are behind concealment.

[Stevod]

Last time I looked here, nobody had mentioned the mini-12 ga. shells made by Aquila. They're only 1-3/4in. so they won't cycle through autos or pumps, but if you have a break action 12 they might be the answer if you are really concerned about over penetration. I bought some but haven't tried them yet. MidwayUSA lists them and some customers have posted reviews there.

[K.hosey9]

Going biden with the double barrel shotty eh? Lol just messin. But in all honesty if you guys haven't already you need to watch the magpul videos on shotgun. The shotgun is the most versatile weapon in our arsenal and it can be the hardest to manage CORRECTLY in a high stress situation. That's why having different rounds ready at hand can be the best option. Having a side saddle with rounds that can be used in different situations is the best. And in order to use the shotgun to its fullest extent it needs to be practiced. Doing round change outs and the like could save your life as well as your family's life. And that is what we are trying to do. Having the option of slugs 00buck 4buck would be the ultimate situation but you would have to know how to change and use them accordingly.

[repubconserv]

Oh my holy crap. So much idiocy in this thread

[Thefeeder]

Which "bird shot" are we refering to?

[TANK1135]

Last time I looked here, nobody had mentioned the mini-12 ga. shells made by Aquila. They're only 1-3/4in. so they won't cycle through autos or pumps, but if you have a break action 12 they might be the answer if you are really concerned about over penetration. I bought some but haven't tried them yet. MidwayUSA lists them and some customers have posted reviews there.

The mini buck shot may be small but it is sending the load still at 1250 feet per second just like any 2 3/4 round.They can be used in pumps the Win.1300 defender is said to feed them without any work.The 870 and the 500 need some tuning to have them feed.The advantage is you are able to get more rds in the tube.

[negolien]

DOH!!!!

LOFL I haven't been in this thread for a while so.. But yes the Videos being refered to show the facts /shrug. Not sure how the trolling thread crappers can argue with the obvious video evidance. Like most trolls factual information doesn't stop them from trolling.

Video one

1. That birdshot will go thru one complete wall and stop in the 2nd
2. That buckshot will not only go thru one wall but 4 and a backstop


Video two. about 6:30 in the video

1. That birdshot at 20 feet will absolutely 100% go thru a sternum and cause MASSIVE penetration and damage.

But you go ahead and deny facts /shrug whatever makes your troll justified in your mind lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=-f-D8Wx73pU

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...=0&FORM=NVPFVR

[dyson]

How about shootin' some meat?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq3RVvL9ZjU

[JagerDog]

LOFL I haven't been in this thread for a while so.. But yes the Videos being refered to show the facts /shrug. Not sure how the trolling thread crappers can argue with the obvious video evidance. Like most trolls factual information doesn't stop them from trolling.

Video one

1. That birdshot will go thru one complete wall and stop in the 2nd
2. That buckshot will not only go thru one wall but 4 and a backstop


Video two. about 6:30 in the video

1. That birdshot at 20 feet will absolutely 100% go thru a sternum and cause MASSIVE penetration and damage.

But you go ahead and deny facts /shrug whatever makes your troll justified in your mind lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=-f-D8Wx73pU

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...=0&FORM=NVPFVR

Now...if we can only get the BG to square up at 20'.

Your facts are useless. A .22LR will travel a mile too...but no one suggests targeting a mile away with a .22.

It always amazes me that birdshot hits the BG square in the chest, while buckshot is a clean miss killing a child 5 houses down.

No problem. Use whatever you want. it's you and your family. Just stop trying to convince others with your irrational rationalizations.

[zfields]

Whatever, you want to use bird shot, more power to you.

The Birdshort side will present their side, the buck guys will present theirs, and the end user can look at both and determine what they feel comfortable with. Presenting "absolutes" on either side is just asking for a test fixed one way or the other.


For me, I'll use buck. I don't think bird shot would feel real great at 20' regardless.

[negolien]

clarity

So let's make this simple and clear...OK????


I personally am not saying YOU MUST use a certain ammunition... everyones defense plan is going to be differant do to factors like penetration, dwelling type, firearms, location yadda yadda yadda. All I suggest is that people make an informed decison based on factual data. Not someones biased opinion. The videos I posted have pretty simple straightforward factual results that no normal person can argue with. If someones still running their mouth about this is BETTER you MUST do this .. they are just a troll /