Shotgun ammo help.... Question...

[AAShooter]

. . . if i had no one else in my home it would be 100% #1 Buck shot. But if you have a family to think about its going to be a bit different.

Whether you are shooting buckshot or birdshot, the zones of fire in the typical California home should not change. Both will penetrate most residential walls.

Another article: http://www.shootingillustrated.com/i...t-vs-birdshot/

[Joe'Bronco]

Penetrate, yes. Continue to be lethal. NO

I have first hand experence being "peppered" with birdshot through an object.
Not fun, but not lethal. If it were buck shot, chances are i would not have been so lucky.

[AAShooter]

Have you considered there may be cases where you want/need to fire through an wall/object to stop a lethal attack on your life or that of our family?

[Joe'Bronco]

Have you considered there may be cases where you want/need to fire through an wall/object to stop a lethal attack on your life or that of our family?

Thats what the follow up rounds are for

[Joe'Bronco]

What it really comes down to is what you feel comfortable shooting in your circumstance. Anything coming out of the business end of a shotgun is going to stop an intruder. Even if its rubber balls. It really just depends on where you live, who is in your home.

[AAShooter]

I hope you have time to use them but it sounds like you have a plan well planned out.

[loophole]

I have a question.

What the fock is your main concern - protecting your loved ones, or saving a friggin' sheetrock wall?

While you guys are figuring penetration, spread, or collateral damage from your weapon discharge, the dude has just slit your wife's throat.

[AAShooter]

I have a question.

What the fock is your main concern - protecting your loved ones, or saving a friggin' sheetrock wall?

While you guys are figuring penetration, spread, or collateral damage from your weapon discharge, the dude has just slit your wife's throat.

Or shot her . . . or your kid . . . but that 4th round will work.

[loophole]

Or shot her . . . or your kid . . . but that 4th round will work.

I stand corrected.

[HOGLEG]

I have a question.

What the fock is your main concern - protecting your loved ones, or saving a friggin' sheetrock wall?

While you guys are figuring penetration, spread, or collateral damage from your weapon discharge, the dude has just slit your wife's throat.

It's not about the wall. It's about the carpet. That's why I have plastic on the floors at all choke points.

The collateral damage we try to avoid is living and breathing behind those walls. Know your backdrop before you fire.

[loophole]

The collateral damage we try to avoid is living and breathing behind those walls. Know your backdrop before you fire.

I would take a round before firing an errant one.

[negolien]

Meh...

I hope you have time to use them but it sounds like you have a plan well planned out.

The best non lethal weapon in defense situations is a plan trying to "wing it" will leave you dead or in prison /shrug. Muscle memory and fast thinking may even stop the bad guy before you have to resort to deadly force. That my friends is why people who have access to firearms should train like you fight.

As for the loadout's it's fairly simple ...You are responsible for every projectile that leaves the barrel of your firearm. You try and go John Wayne and blast 3" slugs at the bad guy and miss or hell even hit him and the rounds continue on into the neighbors house killing his 3 year old you're gonna have a new roomate named Buba spooning you at night.

For sporting types of stuff alot of non lead 8's will be fine. I use Independance ammo at $6.99 a box of 25.

[L84CABO]

Hello all, I'm new here to the forum and will be picking up my 1st SG Wednesday... Mossberg 500 combo!

Looking for a good home defense and target practice shells...

I seen some Winchester AA for $10 for 25.....

Good deal for target?

Any guidance will be appreciated.

Thanks!

Federal Tactical LE 00 with Flite Control is an excellent choice for a defensive round. Comes in 8 pellet and 9 pellet as well as reduced recoil and full power. Gives a nice tight pattern...in my Benelli anyway. YMMV.

For target, the Walmart 100 round bird shot boxes are hard to beat...assuming you can find them in stock.

http://www.targetsportsusa.com/p-3082-federal-law-enforcement-12-gauge-2-34-00-buckshot-9-pellets-ammunition.aspx

[bernieb90]

First off, That spread on his back is NOT close range. Shoot a patterning board at 20ft and the spread is about the size of a softball. A modified choke at 20 yds is a 20" spread with #7.5...

Yes, everyone will agree that Birdshot is less lethal than buck/slugs at a distance. A shot to the chest with bird shot will not only stun the assailant but im sure it will temporarily stop him. If he is within 20 ft it will kill him. That will give you enough time to rack another load and fire again with your family on high alert. If the assailant is close it will most definitely punch a hole into them. Ever shoot a piece of plywood at close range with birdshot? Try it yourself and tell me if a person can live through that.

Again, if i had no one else in my home it would be 100% #1 Buck shot. But if you have a family to think about its going to be a bit different.

You make a lot of assumptions that can get you killed. If a guy has a knife at 20 feet you would probably get of one shot before the guy is on top of you. If he has a gun he can easily kill you even if wounded. Then the rest of your family is unprotected.

I hate to bring this up, but many victims of the Boston marathon bombing were hit with high velocity fragments not unlike shot. In many cases they were ball bearings. Some accounts even from the most severely injured indicate they didn't realize how badly they were hurt until they saw the injury or were unable to move due to loss of limbs. Many accounts of people shot or otherwise injured indicate many don't feel the injury until they feel or see it.

Simply wounding a determined, drugged up, or adrenaline fueled attacker will not make them stop what they are doing. The only way to STOP an attack is to make the attacker physiologically incapable of continuing the attack. This means severely damaging vital organs, or hitting the CNS.

Sheetrock is 1/2" - 5/8" thick. If you feel that the shot is no longer cause serious injury after penetrating 1" of sheetrock I can punch through then how will it be able to stop an attacker after penetrating a heavy jacket, thick muscle, and ribs.

The best way to reduce overpenetration is to hit what you are aiming at. That will significantly reduce the risk to people in other rooms. If it is your home you can set up bookshelves, or other barriers in strategic locations (end of hallway) that would also reduce this risk.

People have died because their ammunition didn't penetrate deep enough.

[bsg]

Federal Tactical LE 00 with Flite Control is an excellent choice for a defensive round. Comes in 8 pellet and 9 pellet as well as reduced recoil and full power. Gives a nice tight pattern...in my Benelli anyway. YMMV.

+1 to this; the Federal buckshot with flite control also extends the effective distance of buckshot.

i would not employ birdshot for defensive purpose.