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  • #16
    pennstater
    Veteran Member
    • Aug 2010
    • 4654

    Well, whatever he wants, it's out there. Hard hitting, far reaching, 3.5", he'll find it.
    All I know is, those 3.5" loads got some bite to 'em.

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    • #17
      Huntsprig
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Feb 2013
      • 1263

      Originally posted by BOBGBA
      First time I've seen Heavyweight.

      Here's the densities of various types of shot in grams/cubic centimeter.

      Steel is 7.86
      Bismuth is 9.6
      Nice is 10.3
      Tungsten Iron is 10.3
      Tungsten Matrix is 10.6
      Lead is 11.1
      Hevishot is 12
      Federal Heavyweight is 15 (Wow!)
      If you reload there is also Tungsten Super Shot at 18.

      Drop mallards with #9 shot and Honkers with #7.

      It is also about $4.00 every time you pull the trigger!



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      • #18
        Huntsprig
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Feb 2013
        • 1263

        By-the-way, if anyone here reloads this is a GREAT deal on hevi-shot.
        Works out to about $1.00 per shell.

        Only #2 and BB shot.









        "I think our governments will remain virtuous for many centuries; as long as they are chiefly agricultural; and this will be as long as there shall be vacant lands in any part of America. When they get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, they will become corrupt as in Europe."

        Thomas Jefferson

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        • #19
          NapalmCheese
          Calguns Addict
          • Feb 2011
          • 5948

          Originally posted by BOBGBA
          Touche! But at least I gave him the link.....
          Meh, I quoted the fish and game code saying it was legal to shoot geese with
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          • #20
            NapalmCheese
            Calguns Addict
            • Feb 2011
            • 5948

            Originally posted by Huntsprig
            If you reload there is also Tungsten Super Shot at 18.

            Drop mallards with #9 shot and Honkers with #7.

            It is also about $4.00 every time you pull the trigger!
            Don't forget ITX-13 if you just want to beet out hevishot (and reload).
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            • #21
              Ducky's Dad
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2012
              • 737

              A 3.5" won't shoot any farther than a 3", given the same velocity and pellet size/specific density, but it will give you additional pattern density at any given range. I have not looked it up, but I think it's harder to penetrate a coyote pelt than a fully plumed goose, so the same load may not be ideal for both applications. There are lots of tables that will show retained energy at various ranges for different muzzle velocities and pellet sizes, so one can research the details for specific loads.

              The "best" factory goose load is probably the Federal Heavyweight, if you can find it. I shot some a few years ago and was impressed. Shot at two geese, dropped two geese, both way out there. The best readily available goose load is probably Kent Tungsten Matrix. The best long range coyote load will be a slug or sabot, matched to the gun. Plan on spending some range time with slugs/sabots.
              Last edited by Ducky's Dad; 03-11-2016, 8:05 PM.

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              • #22
                BC9696
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 2024

                I got a Benelli SuperNova on order. The application is somewhat unique. I do ADC work on a cattle ranch and as I crisscross the property i pass numerous natural and manmade water holes. Often I will find ducks and geese in these. This is the quality we see:



                I'm always carrying a 22-250 and a 12ga in the truck. When I see big birds in a tank after a long walk I'd like to have one load suitable for waterfowl or predators. I've gotten both sitting near water with and without my caller. This isn't in Cali...it's in NW AZ. Waterfowl and the calving seasing coincide. I stumbled across a multi-size pellet 3.5" shell there but cannot recall the name...I think it had the word Gold in it. It had 3 different sized pellets in the load.
                Last edited by BC9696; 03-12-2016, 1:29 AM.
                Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

                The U.S. city with the most restrictive gun laws in the nation, Washington, D.C., has the highest murder rate at 24 per 100,000.
                The state with the most unrestrictive gun regulations, Vermont, has the lowest murder rate at 0.48 per 100,000.

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                • #23
                  NapalmCheese
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Feb 2011
                  • 5948

                  Originally posted by BC9696
                  I'm always carrying a 22-250 and a 12ga in the truck. When I see big birds in a tank I after a long walk I'd like to have one load suitable for waterfowl or predators. I've gotten both sitting near water with and without my caller. This isn't in Cali...it's in NW AZ. Waterfowl and the calving seasing coincide. I stumbled across a multi-size pellet 3.5" shell there but cannot recall the name...I think it had the word Gold in it. It had 3 different sized pellets in the load.
                  I'd just a soon shoot ducks and geese with #1 (if geese are prevelante) or #2 bird shot from the shotgun and coyotes with the .22-250.
                  Last edited by NapalmCheese; 03-13-2016, 8:16 PM.
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                  • #24
                    BC9696
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 2024

                    Originally posted by NapalmCheese
                    I'm always carrying a 22-250 and a 12ga in the truck. When I see big birds in a tank I after a long walk I'd like to have one load suitable for waterfowl or predators. I've gotten both sitting near water with and without my caller. This isn't in Cali...it's in NW AZ. Waterfowl and the calving seasing coincide. I stumbled across a multi-size pellet 3.5" shell there but cannot recall the name...I think it had the word Gold in it. It had 3 different sized pellets in the load.
                    I'd just a soon shoot ducks and geese with #1 (if geese are prevelante) or #2 bird shot from the shotgun and coyotes with the .22-250.[/QUOTE]

                    I carry both in the truck but only one to the stand depending on the terrain. The rifle is only good for open areas but most of the predators are found in the thick stuff.
                    Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

                    The U.S. city with the most restrictive gun laws in the nation, Washington, D.C., has the highest murder rate at 24 per 100,000.
                    The state with the most unrestrictive gun regulations, Vermont, has the lowest murder rate at 0.48 per 100,000.

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                    • #25
                      BC9696
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 2024

                      I went rummaging around the garage and finally found the shells mentioned above, they are



                      Do you think this would kill a yote or lion too?
                      Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

                      The U.S. city with the most restrictive gun laws in the nation, Washington, D.C., has the highest murder rate at 24 per 100,000.
                      The state with the most unrestrictive gun regulations, Vermont, has the lowest murder rate at 0.48 per 100,000.

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                      • #26
                        BOBGBA
                        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 2361

                        I'm sure you already know this, those shells have steel #2 pellets (bigger pellets at the bottom of the shell) with hevishot #4 on top.
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                        • #27
                          BC9696
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 2024

                          Originally posted by BOBGBA
                          I'm sure you already know this, those shells have steel #2 pellets (bigger pellets at the bottom of the shell) with hevishot #4 on top.
                          I do. I'm inclined to think this shell is undergunned for an up close and personal encounter with a cat and may even be insufficient for big honkers...may have to step up to a double to trible B.
                          Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

                          The U.S. city with the most restrictive gun laws in the nation, Washington, D.C., has the highest murder rate at 24 per 100,000.
                          The state with the most unrestrictive gun regulations, Vermont, has the lowest murder rate at 0.48 per 100,000.

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                          • #28
                            torquen
                            Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 200

                            This past waterfowl season I was hunting a friends cattle ranch. We were in lay down blinds on the edge of a big pond that their fields drain into. We were hunting speckle belly geese. The cattle worked up to the water to get a drink. I saw a couple of coyote sneaking up on the bottom side of the waters edge.

                            Now this is on the other side of the pond about 45 yards. I'm sitting there watching the coyote getting ready to jump up and try to get one of these steers. I popped up out of my blind and it looked over at me. I had my long range extended choke in because the geese were flying high that day. Loaded with cheep Winchester super X BB.
                            Shot the coyote and dropped him right on the waters edge.

                            Was kind of funny because my dog swam over thinking I shot a bird. Swam up and looked at the yote, paused then swam back with a look on his face like "wtf did you shoot?"

                            The key is a tight choke so you get a clean kill. I would say off of the shot I took I could have possibly taken the same shot at 55 yards and it would have killed it clean.
                            Last edited by torquen; 03-14-2016, 12:39 PM.

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                            • #29
                              BC9696
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 2024

                              I use a Carlson Dead Coyote choke, very tight tube and have had BBs drop a wounded yote at almost 80 yards out. But BBs destroy the smaller ducks...guess I will hafta carry different shells all the time. (((sigh)))
                              Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

                              The U.S. city with the most restrictive gun laws in the nation, Washington, D.C., has the highest murder rate at 24 per 100,000.
                              The state with the most unrestrictive gun regulations, Vermont, has the lowest murder rate at 0.48 per 100,000.

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                              • #30
                                NapalmCheese
                                Calguns Addict
                                • Feb 2011
                                • 5948

                                If you've cleanly killed coyotes with steel BBs at 80 yards then I would guess that Hevi-shot (not hevi steel) #2s would be fine. I didn't think a load of steel BBs would do that.

                                That choke however would destroy ducks.
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