Heavy loads

[lewdogg21]

I do. I'm inclined to think this shell is undergunned for an up close and personal encounter with a cat and may even be insufficient for big honkers...may have to step up to a double to trible B.

Big Honkers die with #2 steel all day long. Just hit them in the head/neck. Even with BBB you can hammer the body and they still fly off.

While I haven't shot a mountain lion with a shotgun at close range, they are not tough to kill, and unlike a rabid Hollywood bear will not continue to attack you once you pull that trigger and hit em with some payload.

Actually all that crap in my avatar was killed with #2 steel I believe that day.

[BC9696]

If you've cleanly killed coyotes with steel BBs at 80 yards then I would guess that Hevi-shot (not hevi steel) #2s would be fine. I didn't think a load of steel BBs would do that.

That choke however would destroy ducks.

Wasn't steel, used 3" Bismuth BBs-1400fps.

[NapalmCheese]

Wasn't steel, used 3" Bismuth BBs-1400fps.

With that I would guess that your normal 10gram/cc density stuff (like hevi shot and a lot of the tungsten stuff) would need to be in the B size or so for that range.

With something like ITX13 at 13 grams/cc you could probably get away with 1s or 2s and have a little better coverage in your pattern, but I still wouldn't be using that super extra double full choke on birds inside of 40 or 50 yards. I shoot a mod choke with steel 3s and drop most of my birds around 30 yards (with the occasional hail mary, I should just swap to an IC). Anything inside of that gets torn up, anything inside of 20 yards gets pretty destroyed.

[Barbarossa]

Dead coyote 3.5" #4 buck.

Bring your wallet.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/425824/hevi-shot-dead-coyote-ammunition-12-gauge-3-1-2-4-buckshot-non-toxic-33-pellets-box-of-10