Ammo Finds - Post them here

[marino51]

I know I am new but I look forward to contributing so please don't look at me like a low life newbie. I'm just a guy/dad/husband who likes to shoot by myself and family and is sick if being screwed by con artists. If I have to earn the right to get links or info for WL so be it. Just let me know what I can do to contribute. Have a great day guys

[romukom]

Yep, here would be full red at 12:06 am. Kind of creepy about the time...

[Bushwack44]

Yep, here would be full red at 12:06 am. Kind of creepy about the time...

With the exception of overcast, the lunar eclipse AND Mars are suppose to be visible anywhere (i.e. big city lights). I heard even the lights of the Vegas strip won't outshine Mars or the red glow of the eclipse.

[Designergun]

Does anyone have gander links that they could send me? Never been able to figure out what to do when their stuff drops. Do they have something like the old cart links at C?

[Puff1019]

I know I am new but I look forward to contributing so please don't look at me like a low life newbie. I'm just a guy/dad/husband who likes to shoot by myself and family and is sick if being screwed by con artists. If I have to earn the right to get links or info for WL so be it. Just let me know what I can do to contribute. Have a great day guys

Here is a link to get you something to shoot and start a WL with. Norma Brick

http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=1804607&categoryId=0&parentCategoryId=0&subCategoryId=0&indexId=0&productVariantId=3885165&quantity=1&itemGUID=&destination=/user/wishlist.jsp

[inbox485]

LOL And I'm the hoarder!

Fine line between hoarding and stocking. I know what I want and it isn't just MOOAARRRR... I stock enough to keep me and a small training group covered for about 2 years worth of monthly trips. That got me through the entire last shortage and through the first two years of this one. I'll might go quite a bit past normal stock levels on account of BO's that may or may not ever ship from C and MW, but prices never go down so I'll just float stock for that much longer.

People keep asking me or commenting on when the shortage will end. I keep saying not in my lifetime. To be able to walk into Walmart on any day, at any time and be able to choose from 5-10 different 22lr boxes is never going to happen again. There are too many people who want 22lr. Hey, I've been wrong before. My sister always told me half the time I didn't know what I was talking about. The other half the time I was wrong.

The market won't allow this to go on too much longer. .22 is a PITA caliber to scale up on, so even big players won't do it for short term gains (which they remain convinced it is). This goes on much longer, and that attitude will change. I (and the big players) see it winding down though. The desperate either over paid or stopped shooting, and the wise found other means. Only so long a flipper can sit on stock before they run out of welfare and can't afford to camp at WM in their stupid little lawn chairs all day everyday. They can go back to using 20% off coupons at harbor freight and hocking trash on ebay.

[Puff1019]

Does anyone have gander links that they could send me? Never been able to figure out what to do when their stuff drops. Do they have something like the old cart links at C?

Go back to page 266.

[Puff1019]

Fine line between hoarding and stocking. I know what I want and it isn't just MOOAARRRR... I stock enough to keep me and a small training group covered for about 2 years worth of monthly trips. That got me through the entire last shortage and through the first two years of this one. I'll might go quite a bit past normal stock levels on account of BO's that may or may not ever ship from C and MW, but prices never go down so I'll just float stock for that much longer.



The market won't allow this to go on too much longer. .22 is a PITA caliber to scale up on, so even big players won't do it for short term gains (which they remain convinced it is). This goes on much longer, and that attitude will change. I (and the big players) see it winding down though. The desperate either over paid or stopped shooting, and the wise found other means. Only so long a flipper can sit on stock before they run out of welfare and can't afford to camp at WM in their stupid little lawn chairs all day everyday. They can go back to using 20% off coupons at harbor freight and hocking trash on ebay.

[inbox485]

I know I am new but I look forward to contributing so please don't look at me like a low life newbie. I'm just a guy/dad/husband who likes to shoot by myself and family and is sick if being screwed by con artists. If I have to earn the right to get links or info for WL so be it. Just let me know what I can do to contribute. Have a great day guys

Read through the last about 20 pages. Just skim for anything with a link or explanation of wish lists, and you'll be caught up. It isn't hard, but it isn't anything that can be gifted like the old cart links could be. The set up involves elbow grease at the account level.

[nubudu]

Common sense has no place here.

[inbox485]

Here is a quick factoid:

Demand – Now we are getting to the real meat of the issue. You hear manufactures say they are running 24/7 on their Rimfire lines which is putting somewhere around 25-30 million rounds PER DAY (estimate on my part from numbers I have heard from the big rimfire guys) into the market – so how can there be a shortage? I have asked this myself – until we start doing even a little basic math. You hear all kind of numbers about how many firearms owners are in the USA, but you hear 70-80 million quite often. So for the sake of us not arguing that number – let’s cut it to 35 million. Do you know a gun owner that does not own at least one firearm chambered in .22 LR? Do you know any that are not looking for .22 LR ammo or would at least buy some if they saw it for normal prices? How many would they buy when they found it? A lot – right? But again, just to keep the argument on the low end, let’s say they would all be satisfied with just a single 500 pack. 35 million multiplied by 500 .22 LR rounds for them all – is 17.5 BILLION rounds. Let that sink in. Even at 25 million rounds being made PER DAY – that is 1.92 years’ worth of production.

I saw that. If there was any market anticipation of those demand levels holding as that blogger suggests, the big players would be scrambling to start new plants. They aren't because they disagree with that assessment and frankly they have better info than your average blogger doing back of the napkin calculations. If they are wrong, the attitude will shift sometime this year. If they are right, things will ease up towards the end of this year, and be back to normal by next year. There has already been a couple new comers that I've heard mention of starting .22 mills, so the market will provide. It isn't a raw material shortage, or an inability to expand production. It is a basic cost analysis suggesting that production expansion is likely to fail to produce a return on investment prior to demand levels tapering back off.

ETA: I should add that the active shooting population is a mouse fart of that 35 million gun owner population. Think about how many people have a .22 or their grandfather's 38 but haven't shot it this decade if at all. That is who most of the 35 million are.

[Puff1019]

Common sense has no place here.

Did anyone hear if the executive order signed by the president restricting imports of items from Russia effects ammunition? Obviously this would impact 7.62x39 rounds greatly.

[nubudu]

I saw that. If there was any market anticipation of those demand levels holding as that blogger suggests, the big players would be scrambling to start new plants. They aren't because they disagree with that assessment and frankly they have better info than your average blogger doing back of the napkin calculations. If they are wrong, the attitude will shift sometime this year. If they are right, things will ease up towards the end of this year, and be back to normal by next year. There has already been a couple new comers that I've heard mention of starting .22 mills, so the market will provide. It isn't a raw material shortage, or an inability to expand production. It is a basic cost analysis suggesting that production expansion is likely to fail to produce a return on investment prior to demand levels tapering back off.

Who has added manufacturing capacity for 22?

I have heard that the manufacturers have increased output through some increases in production efficiency and by running production lines longer hours. I don't think anyone has made recent capital investment.

Certainly agree that for a short term spike in demand there is not sufficient ROI to warrant investment.

The million dollar question (literally) - Is the spike in demand short term?

[Mot Mi]

Not really puff. There are alot of american based companies and also alot of manufacturers that are from other countries besides russia or ukraine. The price of 7.62x39 is still the same. I have even notice it dropped 10-20 dollars

[inbox485]

Did anyone hear if the executive order signed by the president restricting imports of items from Russia effects ammunition? Obviously this would impact 7.62x39 rounds greatly.

Link or it didn't happen. 5.45 has an embargo as BATFE is refusing to process form 9's and has informally communicate an intent to rule 7n6 as armor piercing w/o sporting use. NRA is already in process of taking them to court and BATFE hasn't a legal leg to stand on so they will BS and delay for a good 5 years or so and then loose. Now if that is all, we should probably at least stick to rimfire lest mods come around PO'd about OT again.