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  • #16
    Blade Gunner
    Veteran Member
    • Mar 2013
    • 4422

    Look at the NSX series. Slightly more budget friendly than the ATACR snd BEAST.
    If you find yourself in a fair fight, you're doing it all wrong.

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    • #17
      CSTactical
      Vendor/Retailer
      • Sep 2007
      • 4092

      Originally posted by Blade Gunner
      Look at the NSX series. Slightly more budget friendly than the ATACR snd BEAST.
      It depends if you're looking for a Single Focal Plane or Front Focal Plane scope between those current models. The NXS series is now only in SFP while the ATACR's can be had in SFP and FFP while the BEAST is FFP only.
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      • #18
        gimlet421
        Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 271

        Doesn't the Vortex Razor HD Gen 2 come out of the same factory as Nightforce?Light Optic Works in Japan? I also remember reading that Vortex installs the Razor turrets here in the states.

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        • #19
          HK Dave
          Calguns Addict
          • Oct 2008
          • 5737

          Doesn't matter if they're the same factory. LOW builds to customer specs and that can be crappy to excellent. NF and Vortex Razor are absolutely excellent.

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          • #20
            hunterb
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
            CGN Contributor
            • Jun 2011
            • 3796

            US Optics
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            SWFA HD
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            Originally posted by johnthomas
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            • #21
              KillZone45
              Veteran Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 2570

              Originally posted by iFixit
              Vortex really shouldnt be classed with schmidt & bender and US Optics. While great stuff, they are primarily a Chinese manufacturer with some good quality Korean / Japanese /US Glass as well.

              I have been researching Vortex as well as Primary Arms and Athlon Optics. All are about the same quality with a few lines better then average in quality. I went with Athlon over Vortex. Its all the same glass with all the same tech most likely manufactured in the same place. Athlon just offers the same quality & Warranty for less money. PA is way cheaper due to their limited warranty.

              So if you are going to group Vortex in with schmidt & bender and US Optics, you need to add Athlon Optics and Primary Arms to that group as well.

              I surely wouldnt add them to that group.
              Lolololol, dude just quit now.
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              • #22
                iFixit
                Banned
                • Mar 2017
                • 51

                Originally posted by KillZone45
                Lolololol, dude just quit now.
                45 years experience here. Dont know what you are smoking but Just because Vortex is the current hot thing with the yuppies, doesnt turn their Chi-com crap into Night Force Quality.

                You wanna lump Vortex in with Night Force, then put PA and Athlon there too. Its all the same stuff. Athlons top of the line is hundreds less then Vortex and its the same thing, with the same warranty, so I guess by your standard Athlon is Night Force quality. In fact there are several comparison videos on YouTube where Athlon is superior to Vortex.

                Maybe you should quit now,

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                • #23
                  KillZone45
                  Veteran Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 2570

                  Originally posted by iFixit
                  45 years experience here. Dont know what you are smoking but Just because Vortex is the current hot thing with the yuppies, doesnt turn their Chi-com crap into Night Force Quality.

                  You wanna lump Vortex in with Night Force, then put PA and Athlon there too. Its all the same stuff. Athlons top of the line is hundreds less then Vortex and its the same thing, with the same warranty, so I guess by your standard Athlon is Night Force quality. In fact there are several comparison videos on YouTube where Athlon is superior to Vortex.

                  Maybe you should quit now,
                  I'm not talking about their cheaper line, their Razor 2 line is oustanding, not even in the same ballpark as Primary Arms.

                  Vortex the hot thing with the yuppies? You do know the Vortex 3-18x/4.5-27x and their new AMD or what ever scope compares to the big players in the optics game right?
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                  • #24
                    iFixit
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2017
                    • 51

                    Originally posted by KillZone45
                    I'm not talking about their cheaper line, their Razor 2 line is oustanding, not even in the same ballpark as Primary Arms.

                    Vortex the hot thing with the yuppies? You do know the Vortex 3-18x/4.5-27x and their new AMD or what ever scope compares to the big players in the optics game right?
                    do you realize Athlon is shown to have better quality the vortex on several youtube comparisons at all price lines. Not just the low end, for which Athlons low end is actually compared to Vortex mid-line.
                    Athlon mid line is compared to Vortex higher end line, and Athlon highest line is the same as Vortex highest line at less cost.

                    So when you are willing to admit Athlon is Vortex Quality and Vortex is Night Force quality, then you need to state Athlon is the same as Night Force as well.

                    I await your public outcry that Athlon is just as good as Night Force because Vortex is just as good as Night Force.

                    Athlon is in direct competition with Vortex and is pricing below Vortex to cut into the market.

                    shall I hold my breath awaiting your net post on this.

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                    • #25
                      iFixit
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2017
                      • 51

                      would you like me to start linking Athlon videos from actual users like LEO, and professional shooters who use Vortex also?

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                      • #26
                        KillZone45
                        Veteran Member
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 2570

                        Originally posted by iFixit
                        do you realize Athlon is shown to have better quality the vortex on several youtube comparisons at all price lines. Not just the low end, for which Athlons low end is actually compared to Vortex mid-line.
                        Athlon mid line is compared to Vortex higher end line, and Athlon highest line is the same as Vortex highest line at less cost.

                        So when you are willing to admit Athlon is Vortex Quality and Vortex is Night Force quality, then you need to state Athlon is the same as Night Force as well.

                        I await your public outcry that Athlon is just as good as Night Force because Vortex is just as good as Night Force.

                        Athlon is in direct competition with Vortex and is pricing below Vortex to cut into the market.

                        shall I hold my breath awaiting your net post on this.
                        Link me to these youtube videos I'm quite interested.

                        No public outcry here for any scopes really, I don't shoot any of these optics that are being talked about. I did have the Vortex 1-6 HD2 years back and it was an outstanding scope. At that time I don't even think Athlon was around, if so maybe it was another company.

                        How is Athlon in the competitive shooting field? I know people shoot Vortex with great results.
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                        • #27
                          KillZone45
                          Veteran Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 2570

                          Originally posted by iFixit
                          would you like me to start linking Athlon videos from actual users like LEO, and professional shooters who use Vortex also?
                          Link me too all you got.
                          Nikita Khrushchev said"We can't expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism. "

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                          • #28
                            Andy9161
                            Member
                            • Dec 2015
                            • 393

                            Originally posted by HK Dave
                            My guess is he was referring to the Razor line at Vortex.

                            The new Razor GenII and AMG can easily go head to head with Schmidts, NF and the line. I have compared a lot of alpha glass, and the new Razor line is phenomenal.

                            I do agree with you on the chicom stuff though. ugh
                            Yes - I was talking about the Razor and AMG line.

                            I actually just picked up the HD II 4.5-27 for $2050 out the door from OP.

                            I was shopping around and looking at other brands but could not pass it up.

                            My only complaint is that it is on the heavy side. The AMG is much lighter.


                            Last edited by Andy9161; 03-20-2017, 7:53 PM.
                            Originally posted by waterfern
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                            • #29
                              Sir Toast
                              Veteran Member
                              • Dec 2012
                              • 3140

                              OP: Get a Nightforce. You'll love it.

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                              • #30
                                iFixit
                                Banned
                                • Mar 2017
                                • 51

                                Almost everyone is saying the Vortex and Athlon lines are neck and neck. Athlon is just hundreds less in price, which is on purpose to gain market share.







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