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[Mutant]

The Demokratik super majority in Kalifornia is a bigger short term worry in my mind. God knows what those dumkoffen will do.

[SKSer45]

So even though Obama supports the AWB you pro 2a guys are counting it won't pass.

Yup, in fact nothing is getting passed through congress sweet cakes. It will continue to be in grid lock and our precious mil surplus weapons will be safe.

[af240z]

You guys are freaking out over it just like the 2008 elections. Again, all gun stores are going to be emptied out by January. Some things to consider:

1. Has Obama impacted our gun rights in the last 4 years? Nope.
2. Do you really think that the federal laws are going to be worse than what we already have in CA? Probably not.
3. People blame Obama for rising cost of guns and ammo? People are to blame themselves: everyone that freaked out, bought high amounts of firearms and ammo out of fear, at inflated price just to get it. Supply and demand is what caused prices to go up. Look at Ruger's stock as of Tuesday:

https://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:RGR

Market drops 300 points, Ruger goes up. So yeah, because of mass mob reactions, everything's going to be pricier now. And prices won't drop, because importers and manufacturers will keep prices high...because they can and people are willing to pay for it.

Remember when Bulgarian/Romanian AKs were selling for $200-300 new unissued in box? Wasn't too long ago, maybe 6-7 years ago.

To add to this: when gun control was brought up during the debates, yes, Obama said that he would push for stricter control and screening process. Romney didn't say a word about AWB, and sidestepped the issue.

(I am not a republican or democrat, fyi. I do tend to play devil's advocate a lot though)

[Mustang]

To add to this: when gun control was brought up during the debates, yes, Obama said that he would push for stricter control and screening process.

(I am not a republican or democrat, fyi. I do tend to play devil's advocate a lot though)

Well...that is not really what he said. Obama addressed the question of the AWB directly...

"Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced. "

Will he act on this impulse to re-introduce the AWB? Who knows? Will he be able to pass it if he does act on his impulse? Who knows?

I do recall Obama's comment to Russian president Dmitry Medvedev ... "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility."

This may be his attitude about about a lot of issues, not just missile defense. Is it panic time? No. Should we be sanguine about the current situation, because Obama made no attempts at gun control in his first term? I don't think so.

We should all be cognizant of the 2012 Democratic Party Platform, with respect to guns...

reauthorizing the assault weapons ban, and closing the gun show loophole..."

[panzerman]

What the hell is FUD?? Don't you all think that any conversation about ANY elected official is perfectly acceptable as long as there is/are no threats or implications of threats? It IS too bad that the Republicans and Conservatives (of which I am one) did not do enough to defeat him. Will the country collapse? I don't think so but those of us who enjoy certain freedoms, one of which is our 2nd Amendment rights, may see them taken away forever or restricted considerably. Just some mutterings from the mind of a displaced Montanan living in Kalifornia

[Cowboy T]

We know the Democratic Party leadership members ultimately want a total gun ban. Enough of them (e. g. Feinstein) have said so. Pelosi has said "we want them registered." That's a prelude to confiscation.

That said, Pelosi's not the Speaker of the House; Boehner is. He's way too scared of losing his Speaker position--and the power & prestige that comes with it--to allow anti-2A legislation to even make it to the House floor.

But there's one other concern. Democrats everywhere remember what happened to their majorities in the Congress after the AWB. Therefore, they were loath to touch gun restriction laws. However, now there's all this lamestream press that the "angry white males aren't as numerous anymore, you can win without them, look to the Latinos now", so some Democrats that were formerly scared may decide it's now worth the risk. Personally, I don't give a rat's posterior about anybody's so-called "race", but the talking heads in the lamestream media do. Bosses of political parties do.

Something to think about. We must, indeed, remain vigilant.

One heartening thing: I'm seeing a lot more brown folks at the range over the last couple of years. They're mostly black folks, with an increasing amount of Latinos as well. They're also usually fellow Liberals. If we can get them on our side of the 2A, then that would bode very well for us. At the gun shows, I've seen more than one black guy buying a Mosin M91/30. I've even steered some of the brown folks toward them, pointing out their value, their utility, and why they're so relatively inexpensive for what you get (economies of scale from Russia selling millions at once). I also point out the cheap milsurp ammo and price per shot. All this is generally met with positive enthusiasm and often a purchase.

Something *else* to think about. :-)

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[Mustang]

One other point...

The Obama administration has shown a marked tendency to get through regulation that which they can't get through legislation.

The Southwest border states now have additional gun regulations that the ATF implemented without Congressional approval.

[af240z]

FUD is fear, uncertainty, doubt.

[ENTHUSIAST]

Damn Capybara where did you find that list did it fall out of Dianne Feinstein's purse???

Hmm...what is the laundry list of the antis? As far as C&R collectors (rifles, specifically), we are probably about #3, I would say right before they take away hunting shotguns and rifles.

1. ARs and AKs are first
2. Handguns are second
3. C&Rs (because they are deadly implements of war designed for only one thing, killing people)
4. "Hunting" rifles and shotguns (Any rifle with a scope is a sniper rifle, shotguns are really evil, even the cops only use them against bad guys when they are serious, after the handguns).
5. Any misc. Ruger 10/22s or other .22 rifles
6. Airguns, Airsoft, Paintball guns
7. Knives and edged weapons
8. Independent thought.

[Capybara]

I know how the mind of that crazy old bat works.

[Chevy57fan]

This is a start on how it's done:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/07/us-arms-treaty-un-idUSBRE8A627J20121107

[af240z]

Well...that is not really what he said. Obama addressed the question of the AWB directly...

"And so what I’m trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how do we reduce the violence generally. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced. "

Will he act on this impulse to re-introduce the AWB? Who knows? Will he be able to pass it if he does act on his impulse? Who knows?

I do recall Obama's comment to Russian president Dmitry Medvedev ... "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility."

This may be his attitude about about a lot of issues, not just missile defense. Is it panic time? No. Should we be sanguine about the current situation, because Obama made no attempts at gun control in his first term? I don't think so.

We should all be cognizant of the 2012 Democratic Party Platform, with respect to guns...

"We will protect Americans’ Second Amendment right to own firearms, and we will keep guns out of the hands of criminals and terrorists by fighting gun crime, reauthorizing the assault weapons ban, and closing the gun show loophole..."

Romney also signed the assault weapons ban in Massachusetts:

CROWLEY: Governor, if I could, the question was about these assault weapons that once were banned and are no longer banned. I know that you signed an assault weapons ban when you were in Massachusetts. Obviously with this question, you no longer do support that. Why is that given the kind of violence we see sometimes with these mass killings? Why is it that you've changed your mind?

ROMNEY: Well, Candy, actually in my state the pro-gun folks and the anti-gun folks came together and put together a piece of legislation. And it's referred to as an assault weapon ban, but it had -- at the signing of the bill both the pro-gun and the anti-gun people came together because it provided opportunities for both that both wanted.

And Romney changes his mind a lot.... a whole lot. So, at least Obama was direct with his statement. With Romney, it was a crapshoot because I couldn't tell what he was peddling. That's why he lost - too much flip flopping. Made Kerry look stable.

[hakenlag]

I'm more afraid of Jerry Brown than Obama.

[Mustang]

Romney also signed the assault weapons ban in Massachusetts:


And Romney changes his mind a lot.... a whole lot. So, at least Obama was direct with his statement. With Romney, it was a crapshoot because I couldn't tell what he was peddling. That's why he lost - too much flip flopping. Made Kerry look stable.

Well, as long as we all agree that Obama is on the record as wanting to reintroduce an assault weapons ban, despite the suggestions by a few posters on this thread to the contrary.

As for why Romney lost, I happen to think that it has much to do with a media that has chosen sides and reports accordingly. Along with an ever-growing electorate that seems to be unconcerned by the fact that the Federal Government now borrows 40 cents of every dollar that it spends.

[af240z]

I agree that Obama did bluntly state that he wants to reintroduce AWB.

As for Romney, I'm sure the electoral votes that did him in didn't come from people watching the news and media, regardless of how he was presented. Our electoral system is broken. if 28 votes are cast for Obama, and 27 votes for Romney, all 55 votes go to Obama. Not exactly fair. I think Maine and a few other states have electoral vote split, which is how it should be