I am hurt :(

[ke6guj]

You'd think then it's none of ATF's business, but a CA DOJ's business.

right. but it is a federal crime for an FFL to violate state firearms laws. So, if CADOJ tells ATF that the muzzle attachment is a flash hider, then ATF call inform licensees that it is a violation of federal law to ship the Hakim to CA since it would be an illegal AW.

I think, it's the issues with Hakims not necessarily being over 50 years old (some are, some aren't), even though they're on the C&R list. I had to transfer mine through an FFL because of that. Still, it's a CA DOJ, not ATF matter. Provided Samco didn't make it up, that is.

are the Hakims date stamped, or year determinable by serial number? If so, then all they need to do is say that you can only ship pre-62 Hakims to CA. If not, then they are like the Yugo M59 when we don't know exactly what year it was made (since the factory was bombed by NATO and the records destroyed) and you have to assume that it was made in the last year of production.

[PEZHEAD265]

It is most likely due to having a muzzle brake and a detachable mag.The BB laws gets everyone confused so does brakes and flash hiders.If sb 249 passes everyone will really be confused.

[ke6guj]

the ATF has no remit to enforce CA-DOJ rules
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But there is federal law that says that a federal licensee has to comply with state laws, and to do otherwise is a violation of federal law.

[0321jarhead]

It is most likely due to having a muzzle brake and a detachable mag.The BB laws gets everyone confused so does brakes and flash hiders.If sb 249 passes everyone will really be confused.

SIGN THE PETITION......https://www.change.org/petitions/stop-sb-249#

[harmoniums]

But there is federal law that says that a federal licensee has to comply with state laws, and to do otherwise is a violation of federal law.

Good point, I didn't realize this

[nick]

right. but it is a federal crime for an FFL to violate state firearms laws. So, if CADOJ tells ATF that the muzzle attachment is a flash hider, then ATF call inform licensees that it is a violation of federal law to ship the Hakim to CA since it would be an illegal AW.



are the Hakims date stamped, or year determinable by serial number? If so, then all they need to do is say that you can only ship pre-62 Hakims to CA. If not, then they are like the Yugo M59 when we don't know exactly what year it was made (since the factory was bombed by NATO and the records destroyed) and you have to assume that it was made in the last year of production.

Hakims actually have manufacturing dates on them, in Arabic. They're sometimes worn out (Egyptians pretty much scratched them on the gun rather than stamping them), but you can still get the approximate date of manufacture from the serial number - there was a few informal serial number surveys, so you can still determine the manufacturing date to within a couple of years.

What could happen here is that either Samco people didn't bother to check for the date of manufacture (you have to translate it from Arabic, but there's a plenty of sources for that. For that matter, you can just compare the numbers to those on the read sight - it's graduated from 1 to 10, and yes, Arabs do use the decimal system. We got it from them), or get it from the serial number, and just checked that Hakim was manufactured past 1962. Which would correspond with the typical half-assed research effort a gun store usually puts in. It's also possible that either the Hakim they slated for Sksser45 was made after 1962, and they didn't want to bother to assign another one to him, or all of their Hakims were made after 1962. I'm curious to see the promised letter.

Either that, or you're right on the money, and someone decided to call Hakim's muzzle brake a flash hider.

Here's one of the serial numbers surveys I was talking about. The other one seems to be offline.

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?2324-Hakim-Survey

[Paulie Lugnuts]

I thought a rifle had to have a pistol grip and had to originally be fully auto or select fire to fully auto, to be an AW.

[goober]

I thought a rifle had to have a pistol grip and had to originally be fully auto or select fire to fully auto, to be an AW.

capacity to accept a detachable mag & any "evil" feature (PG is one of them but not the only one)

[nick]

I thought a rifle had to have a pistol grip and had to originally be fully auto or select fire to fully auto, to be an AW.

It has to be able to accept a detachable magazine and have one or more of the listed evil features (pistol grip, folding or collapsible stock, and so on). I.e the rifle with a fixed mag and evil features is good to go, the one with a detachable mag and at least one evil feature - baaaad.

It has nothing to do with ever being a fullauto or selectfire. In fact, according to ATF, once a machine gun - always a machine gun, so you can't reuse those receivers to make semiautos anyway. None of the AR/AK/etc. receivers we have in our rifles started their life as fullauto receivers.

[ke6guj]

I thought a rifle had to have a pistol grip and had to originally be fully auto or select fire to fully auto, to be an AW.

you are mixing Assault RIFLE with Assault WEAPON. Nick and Goober covered why it would be an AW.

[singlestack2974]

Funny laws CA has.. I got my Hakim from Gunboards and it was DROSSed (sp?) in a gunshop in San Mateo. How come they say Hakims are not allowed in the retarded state of CA?
One reason I am happy me and my collections are now away from that retarded state. No offense meant but just seeing all those retarded politicians constantly holding office and getting re elected just proves Ca has really slipped into a sorry state of retardedness..

[paul0660]

Funny laws CA has.. I got my Hakim from Gunboards and it was DROSSed (sp?) in a gunshop in San Mateo. How come they say Hakims are not allowed in the retarded state of CA?
One reason I am happy me and my collections are now away from that retarded state. No offense meant but just seeing all those retarded politicians constantly holding office and getting re elected just proves Ca has really slipped into a sorry state of retardedness..

Thanks for checking in. Good luck with the tornadoes, floods, and ice storms.

Also, it is "logically challenged power hungry" politicians. Retardation is a technical term.

The jury is still out on this. In my experience Samco can be talked out of their own retardation.

[0321jarhead]

I have even seen them at various gun shows here in our wonderful State of BS.

[Donkeypunch0420]

Sold my Hakim last year to another Calgunner. Date on her was 1967, so had to go through an FFL. Sold if for cheaper than $499 too, starting to regret it.

[mj1]

Funny I advertized two very nice Hakim rifles here this year and didn't get one bit of interest so I shipped them out of state. Hated to do that.