the new ammunition law

[aghauler]

It bans online sales and buying ammo out of state

But if you have a C&R FFL and a COE how does that affect things???

Supposedly you can buy "mail order" and receive to your door, but can you buy out of state and bring it back?????? As long as you have your FFL and COE with you????

I guess Moonbeam didn't read my letter

Does this BS law include rimfire ammo and firearm magazines?????

[jamesob]

Until they set up random checks on highways and full time stops on the freeways, at the major exits of California...

Next they'll be stopping and checking cars and trucks for ammo the same way they stop box trucks to check their fruit...

"I'm gonna need to see your papers and DROS paperwork for that box of ammo..."

When that happens, bodies will start hitting the ground.

[uscscjohn]

I like it

So many comments today. I appreciate this one for its simplicity.

Not for me it wont.

[uscscjohn]

I hope all the big gun and ammo companies stop selling to law enforcement in CA as well!

I agree 100%

[Don the savage]

From the main thread on these bills someone posted the few lines of importance. It stated ammunition, bullets and magazines!

That is from the definition of ammunition. It talks about what is ammunition, not banning components. Thats next.

[uscscjohn]

Gov. Brown signed it today.

Kinda surprised. He's been rather pragmatic till now with his veto of the really dumb gun bills put up. there was one a few years back which basically would've turned all of our collections illegal, and was sensibly vetoed.

the banning the bullet button is interesting too; does this require then that all those ARs and AKs out there have to have their mags permanently affixed to the receivers? might be a good time to become a gunsmith if that's the case, there'll be a lot of work coming your way!

But back to your question Bryanv790; what the gun control movement is doing to impose their agenda is rather similar in tactics to what the anti-abortion movement is doing to limit abortions: attack from the fringes, since the frontal assaults always fail.

Banning guns outright never wins or gains any traction because of the legal precedents in the courts and the interpretation of the 2nd amendment after District of Columbia v. Heller in 2008, not to mention the incredible strength of the gun lobby/nra in influencing votes.

As such, the forces at work trying to pass gun control legislation have to put up barriers to entry, and try to nip away at it from the fringes. Cant ban AWs? Ok we'll ban mags. Impose waiting periods. Ban f2f sales. Impose checks. We'll make it prohibitively expensive. We'll make it so hard to open a gun store, fewer people will do it. This sort of thing.

If you cant ban something, legislate it so heavily and make it so expensive that people quit wanting to do it. It worked with smoking, after all.

I know your heart is in the right place but the anti-gunners are the pro-abortionists too and they are winning the fringes on both issues. With guns the right to "bear arms" in an express right. It gets lip service but the "right" has been rendered impotent. We have no right to "bear"; we have the "right" to own IF we leave guns in our homes empty and do not bear them. Restrictions and litmus tests further limit the "right." Abortion -- a "right" implied is read so broadly as to trump all other laws. You cannot even require a prescription for the morning after pill. The only medical procedure a kid can get without parental consent is an abortion. Texas laws imposing health standards on abortion clinics were just ruled unconstitutional. Later term abortion restrictions? Laws requiring babies born during late term abortion procedures receive aid? Illegal all. The second amendment is a right in title only. When compared to invented abortion rights and the breadth given to that right, the farce becomes clear.

[Vlad 11]

Our battle cry

Will not comply

Resist Evade Defy

[GunKraut]

You are taxed at a very high rate, and quite a few of those tax dollars go to providing illegals all sorts of services us actual citizens don't get.

Ahhh, you mean offering medical, driver's licenses and other benefits to illegals for free? Yeah, I heard about that. A guy, I think his name was something like "Kevin de Moron", was behind these initiatives.

http://dailysignal.com/2015/06/19/california-to-subsidize-healthcare-for-illegal-immigrant-children/

The media hardly ever mention that De Leon's mother entered the U.S. illegally, which explains a lot of his bizarre understanding of what's right and what's wrong.

His ignorance is legendary. I heard he has a maximum capacity of 30 bloopers in half a second. Basically a fully semi-automatic assault talker. An assault on common sense, that is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrCBIFp9834

[Winona]

face to face, and out of state. **** em

There are no new laws against that?

[aghauler]

Our battle cry

Will not comply

Resist Evade Defy

In my letter to the Gov I told him specifically I would not comply with these asinine, nonsensical laws. Regardless of how it affects my medical licenses!

[rvr350]

I think gunshops in Nevada will raise their prices to meet the demand, and the state won't have the manpower trying to stop folks from smuggling ammo cross border. It is impractical. They really take it too far this time.

[ArnoldKC]

I'm with this guy.

Not for me it wont.

[aghauler]

I think gunshops in Nevada will raise their prices to meet the demand, and the state won't have the manpower trying to stop folks from smuggling ammo cross border. It is impractical. They really take it too far this time.

I suspect they might try checks on NV gunshow weekends, but pure speculation.
I do know some months back at an earlier Reno Big Show a certain buyer of a large number of hicap AR15 mags ( with CA plates) was "tailed" from Reno to Garnerville, NV. DOJ was waiting for them to cross into CA, alerted Douglas Co Sherriff and Alpine Co Sherriff plus CHP. The buyer parked in a lot in Gardnerville and out waited the DOJ guys. They never "imported" the mags into CA. This info direct from a local LEO.

[aghauler]

I think gunshops in Nevada will raise their prices to meet the demand, and the state won't have the manpower trying to stop folks from smuggling ammo cross border. It is impractical. They really take it too far this time.

Yeah they'll have a 2 tier system one for NV residents and one fer CA residents

[Milsurp Collector]

The law is dumb, I don't support it, but to explain it (not support it);

• It doesn't BAN Internet sales, you can still buy ammo from online vendors, but it can't be shipped directly to you. It has to go through licensed California ammunition vendor. Similar to buying a gun online and having it shipped to a California FFL instead of to your home.
• People can sell a very limited amount of ammo (50 rounds per month) to family members or between licensed hunters without an ammo vendor license. You can sell a very limited amount of ammo to licensed vendors (A person who sells no more than 100 rounds of ammunition to one vendor in one month or cumulatively sells no more than 250 rounds per year to vendors in this state.) without a license. If you want to sell more than that you have to become a licensed vendor.
• Buying ammo from a licensed vendor such as a retailer is pretty straightforward. The buyer presents his ID. The buyer is cross referenced to the list of owners of registered guns, the Automated Firearm System (AFS). If you have a registered gun you are on that list. That's to make sure only people who actually have guns are buying ammo (not making a straw purchase for someone else). Then they are checked against the list of prohibited persons used by APPS, the Prohibited Armed Persons File. If you are not on that list the sale is approved. That is the "background check". There is a $1 fee. People with C&R + COE don't have to go through the "background check".

So, do you prefer going to your local retailer, going through a quick "background check", and paying a $1 fee when you buy ammo, or driving hours to Nevada or Arizona, spending who knows how much on gas, and risk getting caught illegally importing ammo into California, to avoid paying a $1 fee?

Again, not supporting, just explaining.