the new ammunition law

[ArnoldKC]

This has to be illegal. The state is clearly giving preferences to companies who are here in California. What about companies from other states? There has to be a law that regulates states from only giving preferences to businesses in their own state. Any thoughts?

It bans online sales and buying ammo out of state

[kygen]

the $1 fee, and probably the $10 fee on top of that, and tax on your order.

The law is dumb, I don't support it, but to explain it (not support it);

• It doesn't BAN Internet sales, you can still buy ammo from online vendors, but it can't be shipped directly to you. It has to go through licensed California ammunition vendor. Similar to buying a gun online and having it shipped to a California FFL instead of to your home.
• People can sell a very limited amount of ammo (50 rounds per month) to family members or between licensed hunters without an ammo vendor license. You can sell a very limited amount of ammo to licensed vendors (A person who sells no more than 100 rounds of ammunition to one vendor in one month or cumulatively sells no more than 250 rounds per year to vendors in this state.) without a license. If you want to sell more than that you have to become a licensed vendor.
• Buying ammo from a licensed vendor such as a retailer is pretty straightforward. The buyer presents his ID. The buyer is cross referenced to the list of owners of registered guns, the Automated Firearm System (AFS). If you have a registered gun you are on that list. That's to make sure only people who actually have guns are buying ammo (not making a straw purchase for someone else). Then they are checked against the list of prohibited persons used by APPS, the Prohibited Armed Persons File. If you are not on that list the sale is approved. That is the "background check". There is a $1 fee. People with C&R + COE don't have to go through the "background check".

So, do you prefer going to your local retailer, going through a quick "background check", and paying a $1 fee when you buy ammo, or driving hours to Nevada or Arizona, spending who knows how much on gas, and risk getting caught illegally importing ammo into California, to avoid paying a $1 fee?

Again, not supporting, just explaining.

[rvr350]

Well, i never found decent deals locally, especially for c&r calibers, so it is a huge issue if you are a shooter. While the reloading components legality is unsure at this point, i think if you don't reload, might want to start learning now. It may be the only self-sustaining method of keeping a supply of ammo on hand.

[boiler1]

Arizona Nevada here I come
I'll spend my ammo money there


Man of few words

[Winona]

Ugh, and this was my first year starting my C & R collecting......... Disheartening.

California; the state where you cant afford to live and work, have to sit in ridiculous traffic with no alternatives, and cant utilize your 2A rights w.o. being harassed. What else am I missing?

Same, just got my sks as my first and my p-64 as my second this year. I plan on being out of the state by 2018-19.

[JustEd]

Cartridges are not marked. People take ammo out of state and return all the time.

Usually not, but the boxes they come in are.

[walterSOBCHAK]

Have they stated what the penalty will be for bringing in ammo from neighboring states for personal use?

[aghauler]

If you buy ammo out of state make sure you have the corresponding cal firearm. Plus no receipt or store logoed bags. "Gee I'm just returning from the shooting range" and I had that ammo when I left CA to go there and didn't use it all And give Cabelas a NV zip code

[rvr350]

If you buy ammo out of state make sure you have the corresponding cal firearm. Plus no receipt or store logoed bags. "Gee I'm just returning from the shooting range" and I had that ammo when I left CA to go there and didn't use it all And give Cabelas a NV zip code

Again, difficult to enforce, and put extra strain to any leo in the border counties to police these laws, wasting taxpayer money. Need i say more?

[aghauler]

Again, difficult to enforce, and put extra strain to any leo in the border counties to police these laws, wasting taxpayer money. Need i say more?

If they ask for a phone number I usually give them the local PD's non emergency number

[Napalm Bulldog]

I'm so tired of these pieces of **** robbing us of our rights.

[Tmatt1973]

I moved to Nevada June 3rd. I'm NEVER going to Live in North Korea, Cuba, Velenzuela, or Comifornia again!

[Milsurp Collector]

Have they stated what the penalty will be for bringing in ammo from neighboring states for personal use?

If you are a licensed hunter or someone entering California to participate in a competition you can bring in 50 rounds. If you are not, or if you bring in more than 50 rounds:

30355. (a) Any person who violates any provision of this article is guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment.

[Enfield47]

If the politicians don't have to obey the laws, why should we? F'em all. I can't wait to leave this state.

[rvr350]

Before everyone huff and puff,(myself included), i would suggest wait a few days to see any litigation on this specific bill. This one especially affects every rifleman, not just those that own AR. I do think this pos bill won't pass muster.