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  • #46
    jtake
    Member
    • Feb 2011
    • 367

    Summary:

    Covers ammunition -- which are loaded cartridges.

    Starting 1/1/18, all sales must go through a licensed vendor. There are some exclusions for hunting clubs, ranges, etc. (30345).

    Starting 7/1/19, all sales through vendors will require the vendor to record and transmit to the DOJ a record of purchase. ID, address, date, specific type and amount of ammo and more. Only a few exemptions exist for this requirement (30352/30369).

    Starting 7/1/19, all sales must be approved electronically by the vendor. (30356) There is a C&R w/ COE, and other, exemptions here. (30356(8)/30370)

    Sales, deliveries, and transfers of ammunition must take place face-to-face. (30364) Internet purchase are feasible, but ammo must be shipped to a vendor who will process the transaction consistent with these laws. There are exemptions, including C&R w/ COE. (30364(8)).

    HOWEVER there is another section 30366 that states that when neither party is a vendor, the seller must deliver the ammo to a vendor to process the transaction. How this will co-exist with 30364 is unclear, but it may have been drafted so that the recording function of 30352/30369 takes place since C&R w/ COE is not exempted from the record requirement.

    Limited sale of no more than 50 rounds per month between hunters or family members. (30367)

    Starting 7/1/19, cannot purchase ammo out of state and bring it into CA unless the ammo has been delivered to a vendor for processing per these laws. (30368)

    Complicating things is that several provisions of this law will go into effect if Newsom's bill passes in November. Furthermore, if Newsom's bill passes, many of the provisions of this law will not go into effect. You have to look at Sect. 19 of the bill to see what parts will only go into effect if Newsom's bill passes, and those will die if that bill passes.

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    • #47
      applesaucegalore1
      Junior Member
      • Apr 2016
      • 37

      Ugh, and this was my first year starting my C & R collecting......... Disheartening.

      California; the state where you cant afford to live and work, have to sit in ridiculous traffic with no alternatives, and cant utilize your 2A rights w.o. being harassed. What else am I missing?

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      • #48
        JoeCA
        Member
        • Mar 2012
        • 127

        Originally posted by boludo12
        More reason to take my vacations out of state and make occasional stops.

        I'm a 3rd gen CA resident, but the middle of America looks better everyday. If I find work elsewhere, adios amigos.
        Same here. Gonna move my parents out of here too. At this point, California should just secede and join Mexico. Then hopefully Trump will build a wall around it.

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        • #49
          mosinnagantm9130
          Calguns Addict
          • May 2009
          • 8782

          Originally posted by applesaucegalore1

          California; the state where you cant afford to live and work, have to sit in ridiculous traffic with no alternatives, and cant utilize your 2A rights w.o. being harassed. What else am I missing?
          You are taxed at a very high rate, and quite a few of those tax dollars go to providing illegals all sorts of services us actual citizens don't get.
          Originally posted by GoodEyeSniper
          My neighbors think I'm a construction worker named Bruce.

          Little do they know that's just my stripper outfit and name.
          Originally posted by ChopperX
          I am currently cleaning it and I noticed when I squeeze the snake this white paste like substance comes out. What the heck is this crap?
          Originally posted by Jeff L
          Don't D&T a virgin milsurp rifle. You'll burn in collector hell.

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          • #50
            mosinnagantm9130
            Calguns Addict
            • May 2009
            • 8782

            Originally posted by alabamacoastie
            I don't know what's speculation and what's true... But I have already read, TODAY, in other threads that it will restrict online purchases of reloading components...

            Don't quote me.... But, it might be included...
            Originally posted by BretByron
            From the main thread on these bills someone posted the few lines of importance. It stated ammunition, bullets and magazines!
            From Librarian's post #8 in this thread, it seems like the part talking about reloading components only affects prohibited persons.

            Originally posted by GoodEyeSniper
            My neighbors think I'm a construction worker named Bruce.

            Little do they know that's just my stripper outfit and name.
            Originally posted by ChopperX
            I am currently cleaning it and I noticed when I squeeze the snake this white paste like substance comes out. What the heck is this crap?
            Originally posted by Jeff L
            Don't D&T a virgin milsurp rifle. You'll burn in collector hell.

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            • #51
              eighteenninetytwo
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 1541

              so will it be a felony to bring in Ammo from nevada (for example)?? that cannot be constitutional.

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              • #52
                M1XdColt
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2013
                • 806

                The last time I post it on the hunting forum about this and ya was like thinking that I was talking about some leads free affect. Looks like I'm right all long. Seen like the OP☝ ON pg 1 is right, only for rich people to shoot. Please keep shooting so that in your near future you can run out of the stockpile. Anyhow Does this make yawant to become bad and just don't care about them laws. because they taking our rights away and not the bad ones. IF YOU CAN'T BEAT THEM, THAN JOIN THEM. Sooner or later you will break apart and that's from inside out. This is what happens

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                • #53
                  AR22
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2011
                  • 2141

                  I Thank God, no longer reside there, but my Brother does.

                  So he will likely be asking me to send him ammo in a unmarked box. Kinda like a personal Black Market.

                  Are UPS and FedX going to stop shipping ammo from Individuals into the State if you tell them the contents? I sure would hope not..If they do restrict the shipping, they are just as guilty. Should be no CA Law stopping them from continuing ammo shipments to individuals in CA.

                  Everyone out there should ignore this crap completely. It has come to a point where it has to be done. Nationally, it is likely going to have to happen that way soon also. If we do not fight back in some manner. They will completely win sooner, rather than later..

                  They are not going to lock up the whole Freedom Loving population of CA for disregarding this Crap.

                  Do not even think the courts are going to be of any help. That is nothing but a Pipe dream there. It is up to the Citizenry to stop it.

                  Yes, the ammo makers should put it to the State. If we cannot sell ammo to all residents of CA freely. Then your Government is getting none either.

                  Good Luck

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                  • #54
                    Tokarevman
                    Member
                    • Jul 2015
                    • 313

                    Originally posted by JoeCA
                    Same here. Gonna move my parents out of here too. At this point, California should just secede and join Mexico. Then hopefully Trump will build a wall around it.
                    Ironically, once these laws go into effect, Mexico will have better gun laws than California.

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                    • #55
                      JustEd
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2012
                      • 988

                      Originally posted by alabamacoastie
                      Until they set up random checks on highways and full time stops on the freeways, at the major exits of California...

                      Next they'll be stopping and checking cars and trucks for ammo the same way they stop box trucks to check their fruit...

                      "I'm gonna need to see your papers and DROS paperwork for that box of ammo..."
                      In reality, ammo carries a lot number which can be linked to mfrs records showing the production date. Sooooo, if in the future you are found to be in posession of ammo manufactured after the ban date and there is no record of sale....you in deep poo.
                      "I think, therefore some people make me laugh"

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                      • #56
                        Ponchsox
                        Member
                        • Jun 2016
                        • 382

                        I love visiting California (SF, Yosemite) but I'm so glad I don't live there. The derp has reached epic levels.

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                        • #57
                          AAShooter
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                          CGN Contributor
                          • May 2010
                          • 7188

                          Originally posted by JustEd
                          In reality, ammo carries a lot number which can be linked to mfrs records showing the production date. Sooooo, if in the future you are found to be in posession of ammo manufactured after the ban date and there is no record of sale....you in deep poo.
                          Cartridges are not marked. People take ammo out of state and return all the time.

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                          • #58
                            jfk742
                            Member
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 131

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                            • #59
                              rvr350
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2013
                              • 715

                              I also read reloading supplies were also targeted, basically anything that can be used as ammunition in a weapon. Either way, i would start stocking up, even if not for the non-sense from today, for Nov. definitely.

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                              • #60
                                Tokarevman
                                Member
                                • Jul 2015
                                • 313

                                Originally posted by alabamacoastie
                                Until they set up random checks on highways and full time stops on the freeways, at the major exits of California...

                                Next they'll be stopping and checking cars and trucks for ammo the same way they stop box trucks to check their fruit...

                                "I'm gonna need to see your papers and DROS paperwork for that box of ammo..."
                                You know they will.

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