AK kit builders - beware of this important legal issue

[adamsreeftank]

LOL - next you'll be asking if I'll wear a bikini and hold up parts #10 and #11 and wag my fingers no.

Well, we all have to do our part.

[Diablo]

Tag for Secondammendmentgirl pictures....

On a serious note; thanks oaklander.

[DedEye]

Is it legal to possess an AK flat and FA parts? For example, if I buy my flat first but don't start bending it until I make sure that the kit doesn't have any FA parts in it?

[Lateralus]

Is it legal to possess an AK flat and FA parts? For example, if I buy my flat first but don't start bending it until I make sure that the kit doesn't have any FA parts in it?

my guess is that if its unbent, its not a firearm yet, but youd have to have no other receivers, but why risk it? Just destroy the parts and avoid the worry

[hoffmang]

Every air duct in my house is an unbent flat. Every air duct at a BATFE office building is an unbent flat...

-Gene

[aplinker]

HA HA good point.

I started to wonder just how many AKs I could make out of the ducts here at work...

I wonder if anyone would notice.

Every air duct in my house is an unbent flat. Every air duct at a BATFE office building is an unbent flat...

-Gene

[oaklander]

Hoff kids - but the point is valid that unbent flats are not firearms.

The issue then is whether something can be a "non-firearm" for some purposes, but be sufficiently "firearm-like" for constructive possession purposes. I would posit that the answer is "yes," at least with respect to the ATF.

Again, I remind people that (as Bill has mentioned several times on this board) a Calgunner got into trouble with the ATF over an 80 percent receiver that he purchased legally. Even though it was a non-gun, the ATF thought it was enough like a MG to give him loads of grief.

[wilit]

Be super careful when it comes to constructive possession. Here's the ATF's letter regarding the STEN parts kit. Though they don't out right say you'll get popped for CP if you have a parts kit, a blank tube, and a template, I would err on the side of caution and say that's a distinct possibility.

[adamsreeftank]

Be super careful when it comes to constructive possession. Here's the ATF's letter regarding the STEN parts kit. Though they don't out right say you'll get popped for CP if you have a parts kit, a blank tube, and a template, I would err on the side of caution and say that's a distinct possibility.

Thanks for posting this. It actually sounds pretty clear that you WILL get popped for CP. "... the combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled. Such a combination is a machinegun as defined in Section ..."

To the folks that don't think they are at risk if their receiver doesn't have the auto-sear hole drilled, read this letter VERY carefully.

[ar15barrels]

I'll have to start posting pics of girls with guns or something!!!

That would probably work good.
The damn girls with guns thread barely has any pictures in it...

[Utha Schleigle]

Hmmm!!! Trash day is Wensday - two days off. I'll just use the trash can a few appartment buildings down. I wil start chopping. I will start hammering!!!

[Utha Schleigle]

I am semi-auto proofing my stuff.

When Auto Ordinance was trying to get approval for a semi-auto-only TOMMY GUN carbine, they had to do several designed and expensive approval processes to get approval from BATF. The main "SUGGESTION" from the BATF was that the new design should be - " very hard to convert to FA and need substancial skill and machinery".

I have thown out all un-needed stuff. Its in the land fill. I did not get a double stepped part - but if I did I would cut-smash-dump with in 10minutes.

Stuff that left and where to cut stupid part.


Cutting off FA notch on OEM hammer and trip notch on bolt carrier on right side rear.


BEFORE parts with notches and hooks.



AFTER with notches sawed and filed down.

I will not touch or tune my new US disconnector and/or spring. I will make sure the new disconnector has its original finnish. I would only tune the hammer on the trigger sear side and the trigger sear - to avoid legal speculation of intent.

A diamond blade hackwas blade saved my AAARSE on this one that bolt carrier was tuff stuff. My goal is to make it very hard to convert to FA and take the precautiond that a REASONABLE PERSON could to protect the PC universe from the EVIL FA. It would not take a lot to get this to FA!!! I will do this to all my fire arms and check purchase's off the rack - so to MORE help to protect my-self.

[FEDUPWBS]

I just threw mine away as they came in was I supposed to cut them up first?

[Utha Schleigle]

I just threw mine away as they came in was I supposed to cut them up first?

I don't think soo. I would just cut the double stepped sear if you ever got one - I don't want anything traced back to me.

I know the AK forum has a different opinion on this, but (and it's a BIG BUTTTT) I will not mail or send to anyone any OEM part that is associated with a FA mechanism. I will destroy or discard any of these parts. That is why I would cut the notch off the OEM hammer if I wanted keep or trade it.

I would want you to put your family and finances $$$ first. So if I am stupid enough to send you any stupid parts - go ahead and RATTT me out , because I am stupid. (This is not legal advice) DO NOT SEND any-one any thing that you would not mail to the BATF or your local DA. (MY OPINION ONLY)

[big50_1]

So Oaklander, where are the girlie pics you were going to put up?