AK kit builders - beware of this important legal issue

[oaklander]

Please look at the pic below:



Now take a look at your parts kits. . .

Note items 10 and 11/12 (and "f" and "k"). They are *not* needed, and should be destroyed if you have them. I don't think I need to tell you what they are, and why you should destroy them.

I have become aware that sometimes people get kits that contain those parts (usually from individual sellers at online gun parts auction sites). To my knowledge, none of the major kit sellers include them.

Just be aware of the issue. Those parts are not needed, and should be destroyed and disposed of.

EDIT: there's some confusion about the legality of these parts. As far as I know, they are not illegal in themselves, and it is not illegal to buy or sell them. What is illegal is having those parts in combination with certain other parts.

[virulosity]

I don't think it matters if any one comes across these parts because their receiver will not have the 3rd axis hole.

[oaklander]

It's too easy to build a constructive possession case with these. My point is, "why take a chance?"

[oaklander]

Geez - none of my "legal" threads ever get any traction!!!

I'll have to start posting pics of girls with guns or something!!!

[hoffmang]

But your legal threads are complete and useful! No comments are neccessary!

-Gene

[bwiese]

I am leery of parts kits with $5/hr monkeys sorting thru 'em, forgetting to cull out 'bad' parts.

If I were to order parts kits, I would order them via notarized letter specifically requesting internal fire control parts (other than springs) to not be sent.

You'd then order the proper FSE/Tapco etc semiauto fire control parts.

These parts kits are just friggin' accidents waiting to happen.

One Calgunner already came perilously close to disaster w/a non-AK parts kit and just got out by the skin of his teeth cuz it wasn't worth the US Attorney's time (lucky phase of the moon, I guess.)

Given the attention to this forum here, Alison's links to ATF thru DOJ's John Marsh (ex-ATF), I'd use extreme caution.

Plan B: order parts kits *first* before acquiring receivers or possessing guns that can accept these parts, so you can first sort out the no-no parts.

[Addax]

It's too easy to build a constructive possession case with these. My point is, "why take a chance?"

It is always better to be safe than sorry.

I purchased 3 99% new 74 kits from Ohio Rapid fire in the past, and they always shipped them with the FA parts in them... My gunsmiths asked if I wanted to keep them, and I said no, I don't need them and I have no use for them, and most of the time neither do Gunsmiths, but they kept them to dispose of them or whatever they do with them...

Oaklander is punching out some good advice to be clean and safe.

[Blue]

What kind of metal are these things made out of? It'd be kind of cool to throw them in while making a damascus knife

[oaklander]

Yes, with all the kit building and such, it makes good sense to err on the side of caution. It's not just DOJ that you have to worry about with some of these issues, it's BATFE too. We all want to enjoy our passion, legally!

EDIT: I'm going to ask people that post in this thread to use discretion, and if you did happen to order a kit that came with the above-mentioned parts, please don't mention the vendor, since some vendors may not yet be aware of this issue, and I don't want to see them start getting nasty letters from CA DOJ. The last thing we need is for vendors to start not selling kits to Californians. With that being said, I am not aware of any vendors currently selling kits that contain those parts. I think the issue is confined to parts kit bought from individuals.

[Sam Hainn]

Neither kit I ordered came with those parts. they were very nice kits, hand selected. With the extra attention, maybe they ditched them before shipping (Coles BTW).

[Two Shots]

Thanks for your info. I'm still in the process of wether to build one and all info is appreciated.

[rssslvr]

I'm with Oaklander,if your kit happens to come with those parts destroy/dispose of them immediately.Why risk the chance of consturctive possesion.

[Lateralus]

I have gotten the sear with every kit ive seen, and the other one with my ORF bulgy 74 kit. They are out there folks, be careful.

[Solidsnake87]

Don't forget about part F either!

[PolishMike]

Yes, with all the kit building and such, it makes good sense to err on the side of caution. It's not just DOJ that you have to worry about with some of these issues, it's BATFE too. We all want to enjoy our passion, legally!

EDIT: I'm going to ask people that post in this thread to use discretion, and if you did happen to order a kit that came with the above-mentioned parts, please don't mention the vendor, since some vendors may not yet be aware of this issue, and I don't want to see them start getting nasty letters from CA DOJ. The last thing we need is for vendors to start not selling kits to Californians. With that being said, I am not aware of any vendors currently selling kits that contain those parts. I think the issue is confined to parts kit bought from individuals.

Is this a California-only issue? Does the federal FA ban not have a constructive possession clause? I honestly have no idea and I know someone here can educate me.

Mike