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  • MilitaryArms
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    • Aug 2011
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    AK Muzzle Velocity Test (AK, Draco, Mini Draco)

  • #2
    Mamluke
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    • Dec 2010
    • 1161

    Curious what muzzle velocity an AK74 in 5.45x39 would compare to, probably an AR, not a 7.62 AK!

    ............. thanks for sharing.

    .............

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    • #3
      ZX-10R
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      • May 2010
      • 4122

      Great stuff as usual. Thanks for sharing.
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      • #4
        zfields
        • Aug 2010
        • 13658

        I expected a lot more loss on the draco and mini draco to be honest.
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        • #5
          Fern
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2011
          • 1203

          That what I was thinking^^^

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          • #6
            timdps
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            • Feb 2007
            • 3439

            As the video shows, the 7.62 round does not lose much velocity due to reduced barrel length. Cutting the barrel more than half (16" to 7") loses less than 400 fps (17%), which is probably why we see short barreled AKs in military/police use in Eastern Europe.

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            • #7
              Quiet
              retired Goon
              • Mar 2007
              • 30241

              Short barrel 7.62x39mm > short barrel 5.56x45mm
              One of the reasons why I went with an AK pistol over an AR pistol.
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              • #8
                Dion
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2011
                • 818

                Thank you for that! I've been very intrigued by the Mini Draco and actually have considered buying one in the future. It is still called a "pistol" so I couldn't see myself using it past the 100 - 150 yard range as was specified, anyhow.
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                • #9
                  wash
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 9011

                  An interesting comparison is my 16" 6.8 SPC AR. I had the opportunity to get chronograph results from an Ohler and saw 2,500 fps with an extreme spread of 20 fps with SSA 115 grain OTM.

                  That's more velocity and certainly a higher B.C. than a 123 grain 7.62.

                  And that's ammo that is not as hot as my SPC II barrel can handle.

                  Comparing $1.00 a shot ammo to $0.25 a shot ammo isn't really fair but it shows another point between 7.62*39 and 5.56*45.
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                  • #10
                    h0use
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Jul 2009
                    • 5783

                    Good video

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                    • #11
                      nrakid88
                      Veteran Member
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 3285

                      Wow, I am a little shocked. First off, great video. Didn't the 7" pws Diablo in 7.62x39 claim 2000 fps? I am guessing that they used handloads with a faster burning powder.

                      There isn't much difference in length from a AK-47 to Draco ( like four inches?)


                      Originally posted by timdps
                      As the video shows, the 7.62 round does not lose much velocity due to reduced barrel length. Cutting the barrel more than half (16" to 7") loses less than 400 fps (17%), which is probably why we see short barreled AKs in military/police use in Eastern Europe.
                      True, for half the barrel, you get 17 percent less VELOCITY... but energy means sqauring velocity....

                      16" = 1445 ft/lbs

                      11.5" = 1176 ft/lbs (19 percent reduction)

                      7"= 986 ft/lbs (32 percent reduction)

                      That being said, I still believe the 7.62x39 round does relatively well for a short barrel.


                      For comparison, an m16 gets 1200 ft/lbs at the muzzle, and a 16" barrel gets a little under 1100 ft/lbs
                      Last edited by nrakid88; 11-29-2011, 9:08 PM.
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                      • #12
                        Jpach
                        Veteran Member
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 4707

                        Originally posted by nrakid88
                        Wow, I am a little shocked. First off, great video. Didn't the 7" pws Diablo in 7.62x39 claim 2000 fps? I am guessing that they used handloads with a faster burning powder.

                        There isn't much difference in length from a AK-47 to Draco ( like four inches?)




                        True, for half the barrel, you get 17 percent less VELOCITY... but energy means sqauring velocity....

                        16" = 1445 ft/lbs

                        11.5" = 1176 ft/lbs (19 percent reduction)

                        7"= 986 ft/lbs (32 percent reduction)

                        That being said, I still believe the 7.62x39 round does relatively well for a short barrel.


                        For comparison, an m16 gets 1200 ft/lbs at the muzzle, and a 16" barrel gets a little under 1100 ft/lbs
                        The diablo has an SS barrel and is nitrided, both which increase velocity.

                        I highly doubt any reputable manufacturer would ever use special handloads to make a claim of a measly ~~60 more FPS over other available 7" 7.62x39s.
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                          nrakid88
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                          Originally posted by Jpach
                          The diablo has an SS barrel and is nitrided, both which increase velocity.

                          I highly doubt any reputable manufacturer would ever use special handloads to make a claim of a measly ~~60 more FPS over other available 7" 7.62x39s.
                          Have you ever done business? Never trust what someone who's selling something is telling you, my friend.
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                          5.56 vs. 308? http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=267737
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                          • #14
                            Jpach
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                            • Oct 2007
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                            Originally posted by nrakid88
                            Have you ever done business? Never trust what someone who's selling something is telling you, my friend.
                            60 FPS more than a draco isn't much of a selling point, my fri3nd.
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                            Originally posted by kotton
                            I have to try that method of attaching the front of a sling to the gun via pubic hair.
                            Originally posted by bomb_on_bus
                            Best part of buying that stock is it comes with its own complimentary jar of anal lube! There were several flavors to choose from, regular, hot cinnamon, or bacon. Im a man of danger so I chose Hot cinnamon to use with my bump fire buttstock.

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                            • #15
                              nrakid88
                              Veteran Member
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 3285

                              Originally posted by Jpach
                              60 FPS more than a draco isn't much of a selling point, my fri3nd.
                              It is when you consider the PWS Diablo was 7", and the Draco is 11.5".

                              Unless if your name is Jpach and you have a refried egg for a brain.
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                              5.56 vs. 308? http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=267737
                              Originally posted by Cali-Shooter
                              You are not a mall ninja. You are a defender of mall ninjas.

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