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[rareair]

Quick question, I was skimming that thread and wondering If it was legal to buy an 80% lower and take it to a gunsmith to do the hard work. :P

Gunsmith would have to be FFL07 status. If you find a gunsmith that is so equipped to finish an 80%, they would also be required to engrave the following info onto it: Model, serial #, caliber, place of construction (City & State) and their name.

[r6raff]

Gunsmith would have to be FFL07 status. If you find a gunsmith that is so equipped to finish an 80%, they would also be required to engrave the following info onto it: Model, serial #, caliber, place of construction (City & State) and their name.

Or he can be there the entire time and push start on the CNC machine, leave that day and put whatever he wants on the receiver

[rareair]

I thought "rifles" required a butt stock?

Some rifles do NOT have a butt stock (ie tactical shotguns with just a pistol grip)

But installing a stock on a pistol would constitute construction of an assault weapon (SBR) as most pistols have a barrel length that measures under 16"

[rareair]

Thanks for the info.

Screw it I guess I'll stick to pre-mades

Don't be discouraged. First buy an 80% receiver, they can be had for $80-$150 depending on material (forged vs Billet)

Once in your possession, you can search out for local build parties and get construction of your AR pistol started.

[rareair]

Or he can be there the entire time and push start on the CNC machine, leave that day and put whatever he wants on the receiver

Sure he can, if he can find a gunsmith willing to allow such a procedure. FFL07s usually won't walk that line. It would be easier to locate other local enthusiasts with access to a drill press and/or milling machine willing to help other gun enthusiasts out

[r6raff]

Sure he can, if he can find a gunsmith willing to allow such a procedure. FFL07s usually won't walk that line. It would be easier to locate other local enthusiasts with access to a drill press and/or milling machine willing to help other gun enthusiasts out

Depending on his location, when I was interested in doing some custom lowers for me and my brother I found 3 people who had the equipment within 100 miles of me. Each were asking about 100 bucks a pop to have me come make them. I am sure the OP can find someone, he just needs to post in the right section directing it at the right people.

I never did get them made though soon hopefully, just didn't have the time to make it all happen.

[bluebird]

This guy is making an 80% for instance because he is under 21

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...stripped+lower

No I'm not building an 80% anymore. The cost of building a 80% is way more than buying a stripped lower for starters (and also that under 21 problem). Norse Armory said he can build me a complete rifle so I'm going that route. Not sure when exactly I'm going to do it but it will be within a few months.

[r6raff]

No I'm not building an 80% anymore. The cost of building a 80% is way more than buying a stripped lower for starters (and also that under 21 problem). Norse Armory said he can build me a complete rifle so I'm going that route. Not sure when exactly I'm going to do it but it will be within a few months.

Bummer you have to wait that long. What was your over all cost going to be? When I was loooking I found 80% lowers for 50-60bucks and someone with a CNC mill who was going to charge me (i think) $100 a pop... that was for 3 though so it could have been a deal on quantity. Either way, my projected cost was going to be about $150-$160 a lower, not bad considering I spent $120 on my stag and spikes.

[morrcarr67]

Some rifles do NOT have a butt stock (ie tactical shotguns with just a pistol grip)

But installing a stock on a pistol would constitute construction of an assault weapon (SBR) as most pistols have a barrel length that measures under 16"

Ok. Let's go back to my original statement. I said that these were DROSed as a "Long Gun" and the other guy said that long guns have to have stocks on them. I said I thought "rifles" need to have stocks on them.

Now you are bringing "shotguns" into the question.

On the federal 4473's AR frames are listed as "Other". On the state DROS they are listed as "Long Guns".

Keep in mind all rifles and shotguns are "long guns"; but, not all "Long Guns" are rifles or shotguns.

So my question is still out there to be answered.

I thought "rifles" need to have stocks on them?

And, creating a SBR is not an AW; it's a NFA controlled weapon.

[dieselpower]

Ok. Let's go back to my original statement. I said that these were DROSed as a "Long Gun" and the other guy said that long guns have to have stocks on them. I said I thought "rifles" need to have stocks on them.

Now you are bringing "shotguns" into the question.

On the federal 4473's AR frames are listed as "Other". On the state DROS they are listed as "Long Guns".

Keep in mind all rifles and shotguns are "long guns"; but, not all "Long Guns" are rifles or shotguns.

So my question is still out there to be answered.

I thought "rifles" need to have stocks on them?

And, creating a SBR is not an AW; it's a NFA controlled weapon.

921 definitions = http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/71...1----000-.html

The term “rifle” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger

[Mssr. Eleganté]

...I thought "rifles" need to have stocks on them?

Yes, rifles and shotguns need to have stocks on them or had a stock on them at some time in the past.

[dieselpower]

Yes, rifles and shotguns need to have stocks on them or had a stock on them at some time in the past.

I disagree, but I understand why you think that.

A stock is ONE WAY to design a firearm to be fired from the shoulder, any designed way to fire from a shouldered position = rifle.

[morrcarr67]

921 definitions = http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/71...1----000-.html

Right going back to my original post

In other states that might be a problem because someone can buy any AR lower and build a pistol out of it.

Because of CA DROS rules these lowers are sold as "long guns" and you only need to 18 years old to buy a long gun.

I was trying to get this guy to answer the question.

Actually, stripped lowers are not long guns. It's been covered here numerous times. Long guns require a buttstock that's why <21 year olds cannot buy pistol grip (only) shotguns either.

Because I know the 921 definition of a rifle. I wanted to see if this guy knew the answer.

Like I said these are DROSed in CA as "Long Guns".

CA is the only state that has this stupid DROS system and CA dealers are forced to DROS these as "Long Guns" because they are not on the roster of handguns approved for sale in CA so they can't be DROSed as such.

Which also brings me back to my first post.

If buy CA law these have to be DROSed as "Long Guns" and you only need to be 18 years old to buy a "Long Gun" why can't someone who is 19 years old buy one?

[Mssr. Eleganté]

...If buy CA law these have to be DROSed as "Long Guns" and you only need to be 18 years old to buy a "Long Gun" why can't someone who is 19 years old buy one?

Federal law says you need to be at least 21 years of age to acquire any firearm from an FFL, unless that firearm is a rifle or shotgun. There is no exemption for "long guns". The exemption is only for rifles and shotguns. A stripped lower is not a rifle or shotgun.

[morrcarr67]

Federal law says you need to be at least 21 years of age to acquire any firearm from an FFL, unless that firearm is a rifle or shotgun. There is no exemption for "long guns". The exemption is only for rifles and shotguns. A stripped lower is not a rifle or shotgun.

Thanks. Know I know why they have to be 21.