LMT vs PWS vs POF

[prestige]

I cannot seem to find a good comparison between these three rifles:

• LMT R20 RAHE
• PWS MK114 MOD 2-M or MK116 MOD 2-M
• POF P415 Edge

Does anyone have experience with them? How do they compare in terms of quality, recoil, maintenance and reliability? I am not familiar with any of these brands and started researching them fairly recently. Which one would you buy and why? I got tired of my DI AR15s and want to try something different. I already got CZ Bren 2 and I love it. I am planning to get a second rifle with a piston operating system and I will appreciate a little help. When I purchased my Bren 2 I also handled Scar 16s at my LGS but didn't do anything for me. This is why I am not including it.

[CaliphobiaRick]

I had a POF, it had terrible machining marks on the lower. I contacted CS. They told me because it was fully functional I could not warranty it. 0/10. I paid $400 for that lower.

[BucDan]

I'd skip POF. Their quality is questionable when the owner was alive, now will remain eve more questionable with him dead.

[sfvshooter]

Only have firsthand experiences with PWS & POF.

PWS - I have two 7.62x39 uppers and one 6.5 rifle. Only issue with any of them was when the firing pin broke on the 6.5 and it wasn't really their fault. I asked about the size of the extractor on the 7.62 bolt and they sent me a new one. They always reply to emails. Nothing but good things, but I heard the company was recently sold so not sure how that will impact them.

POF - had a 308 DI rifle and piston upper. Had to send the DI upper back since it wouldn't function. Piston upper wasn't very accurate. Not sure if their products are worth what they charge.


And despite what you might see from MAC videos, PWS uppers are easy to assemble and bolts are really easy to clean.

[OlderThanDirt]

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[FeuerFrei]

I still have a 14+yrs gen 1 upper from POF (no rails except receiver). Finish is still going strong and slick as snot. Reliability is outstanding and nothing has broken. Accuracy is as good as any other comparable external GP AR clone du jour that I've tried since.

I also have 2 gen 2 uppers that are more accurate than the gen 1. Scary accurate with FedMatch ammo. I assembled all my own lowers so...

All of my rifles are still in service and perform as advertised. What else can I say? It's just been my experience sans ego.

*methinks we never get the whole story regarding instances of off quality products being a nightmare. Stories abound from all of the BIG manufactures diqking owners around about repairs. It happens.

*none of the prognostications that were foretold on this vary forum never happened to me.
Lucky 3 times with different gens? I think not.

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I still have a 14+yrs gen 1 upper from POF (no rails except receiver). Finish is still going strong and slick as snot. Reliability is outstanding and nothing has broken. Accuracy is as good as any other comparable external GP AR clone du jour that I've tried since.

I also have 2 gen 2 uppers that are more accurate than the gen 1. Scary accurate with FedMatch ammo. I assembled all my own lowers so...

All of my rifles are still in service and perform as advertised. What else can I say? It's just been my experience sans ego.

*methinks we never get the whole story regarding instances of off quality products being a nightmare. Stories abound from all of the BIG manufactures diqking owners around about repairs. It happens.

*none of the prognostications that were foretold on this vary forum never happened to me.
Lucky 3 times with different gens? I think not.

[FeuerFrei]

I have no doubt that you have had good luck with your POF.

It appears plenty of people out there who are very happy with their products.

I can only speak for the personal experience with my son’s months old revolution DI.

We cleaned and lubed it as we do with all our other ar’s and have put literally hundreds of dollars worth of ammunition through it trying to get it to break in.

Lake City, Remington, Winchester, SNB, light bullets,heavy bullets, brass, steel it’s all the same.

No matter the gas setting mortaring the fired cases out for most every shot for the first couple hundred rounds.

It improved as we could get through a mag occasionally with the gun functioning. More often than not now every second third or fourth round needs to be manually ejected which has gotten easier because no mortaring.

We read about Some pretty extensive breaking periods with these so we just kept putting hundreds of dollars worth of ammunition through it. But at some point my son said this thing needs to go back it just doesn’t work.

Meanwhile I bought an upper from Aero precision, and a complete lower from them as well. Made it compliant myself and snap two pins together.

Been bringing it to the range along with the POF and the aero chugs along eating all ammo I put through it without a hitch.

Inspecting the POF nothing appears to be out of place. Chamber looks good bolt and carrier and related parts don’t show anything out of whack including the extractor which we have removed and verified the spring is installed properly from the factory.

Don’t know anyone else who has one so I can only go off other users on the Internet and see lots and lots of problems with both the piston and the DI guns.

Google POF revolution issues or POF revolution problems and you will see.

In fairness to POF I can also Google Aero M5 Problems or issues and see tons of issues with those as well.

The reality is, our $800 aero precision M5 runs and our $2600 POF does not.

I really like the POF so I’m hoping they get it fixed.

If they do not to our satisfaction then I will definitely never recommend POF rifle or parts to anyone. We will see.

You troubleshoot a Stoner gassed rifle the same regardless of manufacturer. I have DI rifles too. They run great. Gas leaks can be a pain when causing stoppages.

Gas port, gas regulator, gas tube, gas key or gas rings. Bad mags or bad ammo.
All these can cause stoppage problems.

Eliminate those items as a problem (one at a time) and see if things run any better. Take nothing for grated. NATO spec ammo and known good mags.

I understand you're anger about this experience. Many folks expect to get an equal level of expectations met that is equal to the amount of money paid.

I'm not here to promote or be an apologist for POF products.

I have seen too many instances of product failures (rifle brands du jour) and it seems that POF takes an inordinate amount of flack for a smaller company. Somehow things go wrong and sheet happens.

Let them sort it out first. Mortaring out a stuck one after another is like beating the horse because it has a broken leg and can't run.

Wondering why you bought POF having seen all the bad reviews

[Angrysnarf]

Shame about pof love their look

[Chilidaugz]

LMT is $3000 right now, might as well get a H&K MR556 if you don’t need the ambi controls. LMT’s QC has been very hit and miss lately.

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You troubleshoot a Stoner gassed rifle the same regardless of manufacturer. I have DI rifles too. They run great. Gas leaks can be a pain when causing stoppages.

Gas port, gas regulator, gas tube, gas key or gas rings. Bad mags or bad ammo.
All these can cause stoppage problems.

Eliminate those items as a problem (one at a time) and see if things run any better. Take nothing for grated. NATO spec ammo and known good mags.

I understand you're anger about this experience. Many folks expect to get an equal level of expectations met that is equal to the amount of money paid.

I'm not here to promote or be an apologist for POF products.

I have seen too many instances of product failures (rifle brands du jour) and it seems that POF takes an inordinate amount of flack for a smaller company. Somehow things go wrong and sheet happens.

Let them sort it out first. Mortaring out a stuck one after another is like beating the horse because it has a broken leg and can't run.

Wondering why you bought POF having seen all the bad reviews

There are no "stoppages" except for the extractor leaving the fired case in the chamber about 50-60 % of the time.

Yup...I'm not bagging on POF.

We are giving them a chance to fix.

Of course we know to use quality ammo and only pmags and lancers.

And you are right-you shouldn't have to mortar out rounds.

Although the gun stopped doing that after firing more rounds,-but still doesn't extract always.

I've owned probably 15 ar's at this point.

Early bushmasters, colt, lmt, franklin, sionics, aero, dsa.

And they have all run flawlessly except for the pof.

Didn't know about any bad reviews before ordering the POF, because I never considered one.

But my son did, and at least at this point, he kinda wishes he would have done more research before ordering.

But if they fix it and it's reliable then all it's good

[RNE228]

All good CGN polls have Bacon as an option

Otherwise, Mini-14 for the win

[sigstroker]

I haven't seen any MR556's for 3 grand lately.

[Chilidaugz]

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/930228916

Thats on gunbroker even. Add a few hundos to make it compliant. Otherwise wait for riflegear to get the CA in

https://www.riflegear.com/p-7267-hk-mr556-a1-556mm-rifle-ca.aspx