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  • #61
    CouchOperator
    Veteran Member
    • May 2016
    • 4353

    Havent featureless ALWAYS been allowed to have standard releases? How exactly did the new laws in any way shape or form affect the regulations of, or ability to dros/own, a featureless rifle?

    Its my understanding that once a rifle is made featureless, it is irrelevant what style of release is installed on the gun.
    Last edited by CouchOperator; 12-23-2016, 3:01 PM.

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    • #62
      meno377
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      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Jul 2013
      • 4911

      Originally posted by CouchOperator
      Havent featureless ALWAYS been allowed to have standard releases? How exactly did the new laws in any way shape or form affect the regulations of, or ability to dros/own, a featureless rifle?
      It hasn't.
      Originally posted by Fjold
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      Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program.
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      • #63
        code_blue
        Veteran Member
        • Sep 2012
        • 3452

        Originally posted by ProtectThe2nd
        Look if you guys think I'm gonna cave in and say...

        "You know what? Your right...all the threads on here about what's legal and what's not and I still have to ask..."

        LMAO...NOT

        No one had yet posted that I know of as to specific pieces that FFLs were using to convert their remaining inventory...

        That was the basis of my question...K?

        Originally posted by anbu_yoshi
        The other comments here are completely valid. Why not just call the FFL and ask directly if you're seeking a direct answer? What that FFL did most certainly will not be a blanket as to what other FFL's will do for "featureless" rifles.

        The law is vague and does not specificy what is "allowed" for featureless rifles. It only specifies that FFL's must turn in any "assault weapons" for destruction, remove from the state, or remove the offending features. An FFL can keep it as simple as possible or add-on more expensive features than raise the price accordingly with or without the BB. People are still going to complain about prices.

        If you want a factory configured example, look at the Black Rain Ordnance NY rifle. They use the Thordsen stock. There is a video of it in my featureless build thread.
        Classifieds:

        Radian & Aero Pistol lowers, Folsom

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        • #64
          CouchOperator
          Veteran Member
          • May 2016
          • 4353

          Originally posted by meno377
          It hasn't.
          Thats what im getting at. The new laws had absolutely 0 to do with featureless anything.

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          • #65
            Lonestargrizzly not a Cabinetguy
            Calguns Addict
            • Dec 2015
            • 6502

            There are many parts that are generally used on featureless rifles, included but not limited to: kydex grip wraps, thordson stocks, monsterman grips, thread protectors for your muzzle barrel, standard mag releases, "bullet buttons" (after 1/1/2017).

            The options are endless!

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            • #66
              code_blue
              Veteran Member
              • Sep 2012
              • 3452

              Originally posted by CouchOperator
              Thats what im getting at. The new laws had absolutely 0 to do with featureless anything.

              Correct. It only specifies what is illegal along with the AG release of what FFL's may do with remaining stock which specifies that FFL's must turn in any "assault weapons" for destruction, remove from the state, or remove the offending features.

              So to the newb hipster snowflake's idiotic lack of critical thinking questions, no one knows what FFL's will do to make their rifles featureless if they chose to sell because FFL's can do whatever the heck they want within the confines of the law.
              Last edited by code_blue; 12-23-2016, 3:08 PM.
              Classifieds:

              Radian & Aero Pistol lowers, Folsom

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              • #67
                meno377
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                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Jul 2013
                • 4911

                Originally posted by ProtectThe2nd
                Because...
                Oh that's interesting...saving money with a threaded cap
                Or
                Wow...hammerheads
                Or
                Gee I didn't think they would pin a stock but it's cheaper than passing on the cost of a replacement

                Get it now?

                Cost factor...yes including mag release
                $9.00 for button, spring, and catch. Riflegear.
                Last edited by meno377; 12-23-2016, 3:14 PM.
                Originally posted by Fjold
                I've been married so long that I don't even look both ways when I cross the street.
                Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program.
                -Milton Friedman


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                • #68
                  CouchOperator
                  Veteran Member
                  • May 2016
                  • 4353

                  Originally posted by anbu_yoshi
                  Correct. It only specifies what is illegal along with the AG release of what FFL's may do with remaining stock which specifies that FFL's must turn in any "assault weapons" for destruction, remove from the state, or remove the offending features.

                  So to the newb hipster snowflake's idiotic lack of critical thinking questions, no one knows what FFL's will do to make their rifles featureless if they chose to sell because FFL's can do whatever the heck they want.
                  Its my understanding that you must have a manufacturing license to convert current featured rifles, hence why my LGS is sending rifles to AZ to be converted as that store holds the correct licenses. But as far as drosing, i am confused as to why there is confusion among others. If its featureless, its featureless and the process and regulations around them are no different than theyve been for forever

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                  • #69
                    code_blue
                    Veteran Member
                    • Sep 2012
                    • 3452

                    Originally posted by Lonestargrizzly
                    There are many parts that are generally used on featureless rifles, included but not limited to: kydex grip wraps, thordson stocks, monsterman grips, thread protectors for your muzzle barrel, standard mag releases, "bullet buttons" (after 1/1/2017).

                    The options are endless!

                    Classifieds:

                    Radian & Aero Pistol lowers, Folsom

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                    • #70
                      ProtectThe2nd
                      In Memoriam
                      • Mar 2016
                      • 1225

                      Originally posted by meno377
                      does that make you feel good?

                      MK...shallow but whatever
                      Last edited by ProtectThe2nd; 12-23-2016, 3:17 PM.
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                      • #71
                        code_blue
                        Veteran Member
                        • Sep 2012
                        • 3452

                        Originally posted by CouchOperator
                        Its my understanding that you must have a manufacturing license to convert current featured rifles, hence why my LGS is sending rifles to AZ to be converted as that store holds the correct licenses. But as far as drosing, i am confused as to why there is confusion among others. If its featureless, its featureless and the process and regulations around them are no different than theyve been for forever

                        Negative. The AG specifically points out that FFL's may remove the offending features before 1/1/2017. The BB'd rifles are not classified as AW's until then so the DWP is not required. Your FFL may very well be shipping out, but they are not required to just to convert unless they simply could not convert them in time.

                        Correct, there isn't a difference. You would DROS the rifle just like a Mini-14. There wasn't confusion regarding DROS. OP just wanted to know if any local OC shops would be selling featureless rifles.

                        The hipster newb snowflake above just happened to ask stupid questions and didn't have the critical thinking to figure out that FFL's could do what they wanted to configure featureless rifles despite 3 veteran members providing data.
                        Classifieds:

                        Radian & Aero Pistol lowers, Folsom

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                        • #72
                          CouchOperator
                          Veteran Member
                          • May 2016
                          • 4353

                          Originally posted by anbu_yoshi
                          Negative. The AG specifically points out that FFL's may remove the offending features before 1/1/2017. The BB'd rifles are not classified as AW's until then so the DWP is not required. Your FFL may very well be shipping out, but they are not required to just to convert unless they simply could not convert them in time.

                          Correct, there isn't a difference. You would DROS the rifle just like a Mini-14. There wasn't confusion regarding DROS. OP just wanted to know if any local OC shops would be selling featureless rifles.

                          The hipster newb snowflake above just happened to ask stupid questions and didn't have the critical thinking to figure out that FFL's could do what they wanted to configure featureless rifles despite 3 veteran members providing data.
                          Gotcha

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                          • #73
                            meno377
                            ?????
                            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                            • Jul 2013
                            • 4911

                            Originally posted by ProtectThe2nd
                            does that make you feel good?

                            MK...shallow but whatever
                            Cmon. The difference between $3.00 and $7.00 for a standard magazine release vs a bullet button?????? Just skip one day at Taco Bell.
                            Originally posted by Fjold
                            I've been married so long that I don't even look both ways when I cross the street.
                            Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program.
                            -Milton Friedman


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                            • #74
                              ProtectThe2nd
                              In Memoriam
                              • Mar 2016
                              • 1225

                              Originally posted by anbu_yoshi
                              The hipster newb snowflake above just happened to ask stupid questions and didn't have the critical thinking to figure out that FFL's could do what they wanted to configure featureless rifles despite 3 veteran members providing data.
                              Cute, but wrong on all counts...
                              Most important...
                              You especially should know veteran membership means absolutely zero.
                              Your pointless involvement eliminates any possible respect you feel entitled to.
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                              A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

                              "The Second Amendment ex-tends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding." - The United States Supreme Court -

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                              • #75
                                ProtectThe2nd
                                In Memoriam
                                • Mar 2016
                                • 1225

                                Originally posted by meno377
                                Cmon. The difference between $3.00 and $7.00 for a standard magazine release vs a bullet button?????? Just skip one day at Taco Bell.
                                It's ok, I get you still don't understand my curious nature on how a FFL was converting existing, leftover inventory...

                                Let it go...it's my problem, not yours

                                LOL
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                                A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

                                "The Second Amendment ex-tends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding." - The United States Supreme Court -

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