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  • #31
    meno377
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    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Jul 2013
    • 4911

    Originally posted by ProtectThe2nd
    Wow...I just cannot imagine what you think you read

    And how you think your replies have been helpful

    Wow...

    Hopefully I will get an answer from the one person who would know...

    Which, even though your ego would suggest otherwise...

    Wait for it.......................IT'S NOT YOU
    Do you know why it doesn't matter? Because it's a featureless rifle. Do you know how I know? Because I have drosd more than one and I asked this very question 3 years ago. The answer from the FFL was that the Bullet Button is the definition of a fixed magazine, however if you remove the features that would otherwise make it an AW, the bullet button is nulled.
    Originally posted by Fjold
    I've been married so long that I don't even look both ways when I cross the street.
    Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program.
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    • #32
      ProtectThe2nd
      In Memoriam
      • Mar 2016
      • 1225

      Originally posted by anbu_yoshi
      The other comments here are completely valid. Why not just call the FFL and ask directly if you're seeking a direct answer? What that FFL did most certainly will not be a blanket as to what other FFL's will do for "featureless" rifles.

      The law is vague and does not specificy what is "allowed" for featureless rifles. It only specifies that FFL's must turn in any "assault weapons" for destruction, remove from the state, or remove the offending features. An FFL can keep it as simple as possible or add-on more expensive features than raise the price accordingly. People are still going to complain about prices.

      If you want a factory configured example, look at the Black Rain Ordnance NY rifle. They use the Thordsen stock. There is a video of it in my featureless build thread.
      Everyone's response to my question (so far) are not valid...including your two.

      I asked a simple question about what a FFL did or didn't do from
      an individual who may or may not know the answer.

      I'm not asking questions (plural) about featureless requirements, although now there are 3 of you who pretend to know and want to insert and define my underlying motives

      I could care less about your thread or your opinion...it's because those also do not answer my question

      The ONLY thing I'll take from your reply is possibly calling the LGS
      I'll have to see if it was named...
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      • #33
        meno377
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        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Jul 2013
        • 4911

        Originally posted by Triggerlink
        Anybody know if there's a FFL in San Diego or OC doing featureless dros?
        Call Gusslers and ask them. 619 258 2543
        Originally posted by Fjold
        I've been married so long that I don't even look both ways when I cross the street.
        Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program.
        -Milton Friedman


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        • #34
          ProtectThe2nd
          In Memoriam
          • Mar 2016
          • 1225

          Originally posted by meno377
          Do you know why it doesn't matter? Because it's a featureless rifle. Do you know how I know? Because I have drosd more than one and I asked this very question 3 years ago. The answer from the FFL was that the Bullet Button is the definition of a fixed magazine, however if you remove the features that would otherwise make it an AW, the bullet button is nulled.
          And oh yes...that IS the answer I was looking for...right?

          Not
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          • #35
            meno377
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            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Jul 2013
            • 4911

            Originally posted by ProtectThe2nd
            It makes a difference...to me

            It has been mentioned by those with more credibility than the two of you that
            even though there are no "super" or "sub" assualt weapon levels
            removal should be refrained from for now...



            But what a FFL does is an indicator of what might be allowed

            But thanks for your insightful observations
            Originally posted by ProtectThe2nd
            It just occurred to me to wonder if they left the BB or put on a mag release?
            Your question appears that you want to know from a legal standpoint. My answer was that it doesn't matter if you are featureless. Were you not asking from a legal standpoint?
            Originally posted by Fjold
            I've been married so long that I don't even look both ways when I cross the street.
            Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program.
            -Milton Friedman


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            • #36
              ProtectThe2nd
              In Memoriam
              • Mar 2016
              • 1225

              Originally posted by meno377
              Your question appears that you want to know from a legal standpoint. My answer was that it doesn't matter if you are featureless. Were you not asking from a legal standpoint?
              Finally...thank you Jesus...no..was not asking from a legal standpoint
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              A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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              • #37
                meno377
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                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Jul 2013
                • 4911

                Originally posted by ProtectThe2nd
                Finally...thank you Jesus...no..was not asking from a legal standpoint
                Okay.
                Originally posted by Fjold
                I've been married so long that I don't even look both ways when I cross the street.
                Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program.
                -Milton Friedman


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                • #38
                  Lonestargrizzly not a Cabinetguy
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Dec 2015
                  • 6504

                  The BB is now the same as a standard mag release due to recent laws.
                  So it doesn't matter.

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                  • #39
                    ProtectThe2nd
                    In Memoriam
                    • Mar 2016
                    • 1225

                    I would never take what a FFL does or doesn't do to represent a precedent ...

                    Nor would I take an Internet forum replies to represent legal guidance...even from someone I have utmost respect for (Bweise)

                    I simply was curious if they put on a mag release or not

                    End of story

                    Don't read anything into the motive behind my curiousity
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                    • #40
                      ProtectThe2nd
                      In Memoriam
                      • Mar 2016
                      • 1225

                      Originally posted by Lonestargrizzly
                      The BB is now the same as a standard mag release due to recent laws.
                      So it doesn't matter.
                      LMFAO...OMG...here we go again
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                      A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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                      • #41
                        code_blue
                        Veteran Member
                        • Sep 2012
                        • 3452

                        Originally posted by ProtectThe2nd
                        Everyone's response to my question (so far) are not valid...including your two.

                        I asked a simple question about what a FFL did or didn't do from
                        an individual who may or may not know the answer.

                        I'm not asking questions (plural) about featureless requirements, although now there are 3 of you who pretend to know and want to insert and define my underlying motives

                        I could care less about your thread or your opinion...it's because those also do not answer my question

                        The ONLY thing I'll take from your reply is possibly calling the LGS
                        I'll have to see if it was named...

                        Hmmm. Taking aggression from non-aggressive responses from veteran forum members.

                        I think we've found CGN's own newb special snowflake. Were my words a microaggression? Did your critical thinking ability not get developed early on in life? Do you need time to apply your safety pin? Here, we'll grant you a safe space.

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                        • #42
                          meno377
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                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Jul 2013
                          • 4911

                          Originally posted by ProtectThe2nd
                          I would never take what a FFL does or doesn't do to represent a precedent ...

                          Nor would I take an Internet forum replies to represent legal guidance...even from someone I have utmost respect for (Bweise)

                          I simply was curious if they put on a mag release or not

                          End of story

                          Don't read anything into the motive behind my curiousity
                          But you realize that your question implies from a legal standpoint. Otherwise why would you ask that type of question for either convenience or otherwise?
                          Originally posted by Fjold
                          I've been married so long that I don't even look both ways when I cross the street.
                          Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program.
                          -Milton Friedman


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                          • #43
                            Lonestargrizzly not a Cabinetguy
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Dec 2015
                            • 6504

                            There are also other methods of compliance, such as registering your bb rifle, installing an ARMAGLOCK, other products which will make your rifle a break action, removing features which will cause your rifle to be non-compliant with state law.

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                            • #44
                              ProtectThe2nd
                              In Memoriam
                              • Mar 2016
                              • 1225

                              Originally posted by Lonestargrizzly
                              The BB is now the same as a standard mag release due to recent laws.
                              So it doesn't matter.
                              state your source...WITH citation please
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                              A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

                              "The Second Amendment ex-tends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding." - The United States Supreme Court -

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                              • #45
                                ProtectThe2nd
                                In Memoriam
                                • Mar 2016
                                • 1225

                                Originally posted by meno377
                                But you realize that your question implies from a legal standpoint. Otherwise why would you ask that type of question for either convenience or otherwise?
                                It's how you chose to interpret
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                                A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

                                "The Second Amendment ex-tends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding." - The United States Supreme Court -

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