long range equipment questions

[osis32]

I'm gonna find out but when i was doing the Skeet class i was stool hitting doubles. Granted not the same discipline but I'm pretty tough and fairly large.

[postal]

Ill try rice too I have tons of pant legs left because Ive gotten fat. I am just worried about getting it wet and the rice hydrating. do you do anything to prevent that?

Nope.

I use cheap "long grain white rice". I cook that kind of rice a couple times a month anyway, and have a big bag.

I try to keep the bag dry, but if it did get wet, so what? Dump the rice, wash the sock, refill.

I've used the same rice for a number of years without replacing it. If I shoot in the rain, afterwards I'll wash/dry the sock and refill. No rain? good for years.

Pant legs (levi's) might be too stiff. Maybe for a LARGE bag, it would be great. I use a small bag that's just a little larger than a baseball using the sock and rice. Consider making one of each. Pant and sock. If you really need to elevate the butt, drop the pant bag flat, and use the sock on top.

The pant leg thing has me really concerned that you dont truly understand the usefulness of a good rear bag. Which is to hold the bag in your weak hand under the rear of the butt, and squeeze the bag to raise the butt, relax the grip to lower, or mash the butt down into the bag to lower it even more. Its a really quick easy intuitive adjustment that should also be very stable when you use it.

The pant leg and gravel are NOT conducive to this outcome.

Amuse me, and fill a sock with some rice about the size of a baseball and dry fire with it- squeeze it, relax it, and mash it to see the stability, and the vertical adjustment.

Then decide what you like and need with what size and what materials may or may not work.

And... AR15, and Rob are hinting, if you cant shoot 70-80 comfortably, its not going to work in a match. If you dont have muzzle brake, thats the first place to start to reduce the hurt..

[ar15barrels]

I'm pretty tough and fairly large.

Recoil is usually worse for bigger guys than for skinny guys as big guys don't "roll with the punch" as well.
The heavier body mass simply absorbs the recoil rather than displacing from it.

Standing up is a totally different in how recoil hits everyone because you don't have the friction of the ground trying to make you stay still.
When you are standing, you just "sway" with the recoil.
When you are laying down, you don't move as much, so your body absorbs more recoil.

Sitting at a bench is not too much different than standing unless you are laid out on the bench with your torso resting against the bench.
The more connected to the bench you are, the more like prone you are.

[bsumoba]

i know a guy that WON'T shoot more than 15 rounds in his 308 bolt because the thing kicks like a mule (old school hunting 308, no brake, little buttpad). I tried it and shot 4 rounds when i was younger and since then, I had the impression that all 308's were like that and didnt get one for a LONG time. I know now that there are ways of mitigating the recoil: limbsaver buttpad and brake for example.

i also know a guy that shot a 30-06 for some time, which is a fairly large round as well and to this day, he has a flinch with any rifle because of the toll it took on him. he found ways to compensate since he apparently flinches the same way each time, but I can imagine 300 win mag and 80 rounds later that it could have some negative effects on a person and their marksmanship.

i think the point all of us are making is that 80+ rounds of 300 win mag in a one-day clinic is probably, more than likely, going to hurt and you might want to run the rifle a couple dozen rounds in a range session in the prone position to see if you can handle it before running it in a class. it would suck to find out during a clinic that costs $140 dollars.

[osis32]

Nope.

I use cheap "long grain white rice". I cook that kind of rice a couple times a month anyway, and have a big bag.

I try to keep the bag dry, but if it did get wet, so what? Dump the rice, wash the sock, refill.

I've used the same rice for a number of years without replacing it. If I shoot in the rain, afterwards I'll wash/dry the sock and refill. No rain? good for years.

Pant legs (levi's) might be too stiff. Maybe for a LARGE bag, it would be great. I use a small bag that's just a little larger than a baseball using the sock and rice. Consider making one of each. Pant and sock. If you really need to elevate the butt, drop the pant bag flat, and use the sock on top.

The pant leg thing has me really concerned that you dont truly understand the usefulness of a good rear bag. Which is to hold the bag in your weak hand under the rear of the butt, and squeeze the bag to raise the butt, relax the grip to lower, or mash the butt down into the bag to lower it even more. Its a really quick easy intuitive adjustment that should also be very stable when you use it.

The pant leg and gravel are NOT conducive to this outcome.

Amuse me, and fill a sock with some rice about the size of a baseball and dry fire with it- squeeze it, relax it, and mash it to see the stability, and the vertical adjustment.

Then decide what you like and need with what size and what materials may or may not work.

And... AR15, and Rob are hinting, if you cant shoot 70-80 comfortably, its not going to work in a match. If you dont have muzzle brake, thats the first place to start to reduce the hurt..

Ill definitely be trying this as well. right now Im just fabricating the large bags with my pant legs. they take a while. tomorrow Ill try your baseball sized rice sock.

[osis32]

also Im gonna go to the range with the ordered ammo and take just the sendero and sit in prone and take shots. see how it feels. if it sucks Ill get one of those clamp on muzzlebrakes and limbsaver pad. I get what you guys are saying and I acknowledge Im very inexperienced in this stuff so all advice is appreciated and taken into account. I definitely dont want to waste my time or money

[NorCalFocus]

I used an old hiking sock (you know heavy cotton) and filled it with Rice. Zip tied it closed and it works great.

[bsumoba]

I used an old hiking sock (you know heavy cotton) and filled it with Rice. Zip tied it closed and it works great.

My wife made one (sewed it and everything) for me out of canvas sheets and stuffed it with dessicant beads (her work had tons of this stuff and were going to throw it away, so she took it knowing I stuff them in bags and put them in my ammo boxes or safe).

Mine looks similar to the dimensions of the Wiebad barricade bag. Thing works great!

[JMP]

Ill try rice too I have tons of pant legs left because Ive gotten fat. I am just worried about getting it wet and the rice hydrating. do you do anything to prevent that?

I'll assume you aren't Asian.

[osis32]

I'm about as white as they come man. Farmers tan and pale as all get out where my clothes cover my skin.

[thegiff]

Get some head cover and sunblock or you'll go home looking like a lobster.

[Fjold]

Recoil is usually worse for bigger guys than for skinny guys as big guys don't "roll with the punch" as well.
The heavier body mass simply absorbs the recoil rather than displacing from it.

Standing up is a totally different in how recoil hits everyone because you don't have the friction of the ground trying to make you stay still.
When you are standing, you just "sway" with the recoil.
When you are laying down, you don't move as much, so your body absorbs more recoil.

Sitting at a bench is not too much different than standing unless you are laid out on the bench with your torso resting against the bench.
The more connected to the bench you are, the more like prone you are.

Yep, I have a couple of friends that are around 5'4"-5'6" and maybe weigh a 120-130 lbs and they handle the 500 Nitro Express guns a lot easier than me.

[ar15barrels]

if it sucks Ill get one of those clamp on muzzlebrakes

Don't waste your money on a "clamp-on" brake.
Either do-it-right, or don't do it at all.
Getting the barrel threaded and a proper brake fitted is the right way to do it.

[osis32]

Don't waste your money on a "clamp-on" brake.
Either do-it-right, or don't do it at all.
Getting the barrel threaded and a proper brake fitted is the right way to do it.

yes I know that but I dont have time for that at the moment unfortunately. Ive been working 6-7 days a week lately and Im running around all over the place. no way can I get it done right now.

[Ahhnother8]

Two easy fixes: shoot a 155 at 3100+- fps, shoot the 180's at 2900+- fps. There is NO reason to shoot fast loads for the clinic. Just find an accurate load.