Frustrated... can't shoot 1/2 moa

[TMB 1]

If you'd spend more time reading the conversation before attempting to contribute, you'd have noted that the OP isn't trying to master the art of benchrest shooting, or even free recoil for that matter. Whether you like it or not, there are other shooting disciplines(that you've apparently got personal problems with) that other people may find more enjoyable than you're willing to accept. Different disciplines use different equipment at times, and tend to have different sets of expectations with regards to the precision required.

Not everyone wants to be you, get over it.

edit: See postal? I was right, lol.

I thought he was just explaining away to see how accurate the rifle is for someone who isn't the greatest shot, If the rifle isn't capable the shooter may be frustrated along time trying to shoot 1/2" groups.

[HK Dave]

Hmm... perhaps we should put Exodus behind one of our sub 1/2 moa rifles and let him have a go.

[HK Dave]

is it?
cause I plan to walk it out there soon...

if only they give you a lift out there

Well for a young buck like you it's probably not a big deal... but I remember the first time I tried to run that hill... it sucked. :P

[postal]

Hmm... perhaps we should put Exodus behind one of our sub 1/2 moa rifles and let him have a go.

OP is a pretty busy guy....

I've invited him out before and will continue to do so- Hopefully a day my brother plans on going... and give him time on a fullblown custom surgeon 243that shoots bugholes. (see the post above from 'TheGiff') along with watching and helping, and coaching any obvious flaws we see.

Doesnt help he's pretty busy, and it's a drive for him out to our range... But we're trying to get him out.

[postal]

I thought he was just explaining away to see how accurate the rifle is for someone who isn't the greatest shot, If the rifle isn't capable the shooter may be frustrated along time trying to shoot 1/2" groups.

Perhaps this is the first thread you've seen with lynn...?

[Merc1138]

I thought he was just explaining away to see how accurate the rifle is for someone who isn't the greatest shot, If the rifle isn't capable the shooter may be frustrated along time trying to shoot 1/2" groups.

That's fine. I'm not saying Lynn is wrong. What I'm stating is that his preferred method isn't the only way to get the job done. There are a lot of things posted by a lot of people that the OP should take into consideration, some suggestions even conflicting due to some people's preferred style. As long as the OP can identify that, he can give just about everything a try since he doesn't seem to be wanting to conform to some specific rule set for a competition and as a result has lots of routes to take.

[milotrain]

The Lynn bashing is getting old. I agree his method isn't the only way (doesn't really matter what I think). He's stated that a .22LR is a fine way to learn to shoot, just not his ideal way to learn to shoot not a .22LR at long range, that's a reasonable statement weather you agree with it or not (I don't, but again doesn't matter). His advice to use bencrest methods to see if a gun is capable of a certain accuracy is reasonable.

I am most accurate with a tight sling and tight position with an AR, that does not really work for some guns, and certainly isn't the most accurate way to shoot a rifle, but it's as accurate as I need it to be in the competition I shoot. And that really is where the boundaries are set, you use the most accurate position you can for the specific application. Many of us are sort of shooting in the dark on this one because the OP hasn't really stated a set of boundaries.

This is specifically highlighted in his comment on cheek weld. On an AR I "drag skin", index my upper lip on the charging handle and use a 3/4 exhale to set my cheek weld pressure, as opposed to a full exhale. This is obviously in the prone position. If I were not shooting an AR, or if I were not shooting highpower (or a similar 20 round string over 20 min etc) then I would likely shoot a different way. I use a 3/4 breath because it seems like it keeps more air in my system longer so I have less eye fatigue over the 20 min string.

If you are going for 1/2 MOA groups consistent cheek weld will absolutely effect your groups every time. You will not get good groups until you can develop a way to have the same cheek pressure and location every time. This is not debatable. This is also why Lynn recommends a no cheek weld method, that is 100% consistent cheek pressure with very little skill involved. Not to say the benchrest position is easy to master, but no cheek weld is the easiest way to get consistent pressure.

[LynnJr]

I thought he was just explaining away to see how accurate the rifle is for someone who isn't the greatest shot, If the rifle isn't capable the shooter may be frustrated along time trying to shoot 1/2" groups.

TMB
You of course are 100% correct.

If the original poster lived closer to me we would find out what the rifle was capable of as is.

We would then swap out parts to determine were his biggest gains would come from all in a neat and orderly manner seperating the shooter from the equation.

The non-shooter Merc1138 has no conception of this as he has never shot a truly accurate rifle nor does he know what they are capable of.He would have the original poster shoot a 22 at 200 yards for 3 years then he would have him post 13,000 times and still not know what headspace is or even how to reload.
What is truly sad is Real shooters are offering some good advice but its being diluted with nonsense from Merc1138 who doesn't understand the fundamentals or much else for that matter.
Learning whom to listen to is paramount on message boards and Merc1138 is not your guy..

[NorCalFocus]

So many opinions in this thread. I'm just going to keep mine to myself and enjoy the show.

[milotrain]

Can we just let the drama go on both sides here? Is that possible? Can we at least all act like we are adults and don't have to prove ourselves to strangers?

[Exodus343]

OP is a pretty busy guy....

I've invited him out before and will continue to do so- Hopefully a day my brother plans on going... and give him time on a fullblown custom surgeon 243that shoots bugholes. (see the post above from 'TheGiff') along with watching and helping, and coaching any obvious flaws we see.

Doesnt help he's pretty busy, and it's a drive for him out to our range... But we're trying to get him out.

I appreciate your invitation
and I will continue to try to make time for this
my work + college schedule is SOO hectic my weekends are spent either hitting the books, hitting the gym, or working

I am free on Veterans day though, maybe we can link up at WEGC?

[postal]

I appreciate your invitation
and I will continue to try to make time for this
my work + college schedule is SOO hectic my weekends are spent either hitting the books, hitting the gym, or working

I am free on Veterans day though, maybe we can link up at WEGC?

Sounds good. I'll mark my calendar and hit up bro.

[Merc1138]

TMB
You of course are 100% correct.

If the original poster lived closer to me we would find out what the rifle was capable of as is.

We would then swap out parts to determine were his biggest gains would come from all in a neat and orderly manner seperating the shooter from the equation.

The non-shooter Merc1138 has no conception of this as he has never shot a truly accurate rifle nor does he know what they are capable of.He would have the original poster shoot a 22 at 200 yards for 3 years then he would have him post 13,000 times and still not know what headspace is or even how to reload.
What is truly sad is Real shooters are offering some good advice but its being diluted with nonsense from Merc1138 who doesn't understand the fundamentals or much else for that matter.
Learning whom to listen to is paramount on message boards and Merc1138 is not your guy..

Still obsessed with my post count eh? You've got problems(and you're also a liar, but whatever). At the very least some of what your post is worthwhile, unfortunately you keep watering it down because you're jealous of post counts, mad that not everyone wants to shoot the way you do, and who knows what else.

[Exodus343]

Sounds good. I'll mark my calendar and hit up bro.

cool

I don't have school that day AND no work on mondays

hehehe can't wait to learn from you guys!

[ar15barrels]

ok guys so I've been snapping in
now the one thing I think I'm doing wrong is my cheek rest

am I SUPPOSE to put the entire force of my head down on the stock? or just hold it there while I shoot
since if I hold it the I won't be putting any pressure down on the stock
however if I DO put my head down the POA shifts dramatically and when I breathe in and out I'm not on the same POA

Adjust the cheekest height so that you can clamp the buttstock between your face and your rear bag.
You should be able to close your eye, get on the rifle and then open your eye and your eye should be aligned through the scope.
If you can't do that, adjust the cheekrest until you can.