Long Rang Shooting

[Merc1138]

Well post what the costs for the 22 with base rings and scope are now and what the cost and the build would be on your recommended rifle for 3 years down the road.Also post what the scope base and rings will cost in 3 years.

This is were you will now say buy a $50 rifle and a $20 scope to learn on and in 3 years everything will be cheaper for longrange right?

I fully understand you honestly believe that everybody needs to sweep the shop floor before they can move up the ladder and make pizza sauce but in reality this is not true.Some shooters will never get it no matter how much 22 shooting they do while others will take to it like a duck to water.
Your outline of my costs is spot on s a factory Remington plinker costs about $400 less.
Tell us what rifle he should get in 3 years as you have really peaked my interest.
And here is an Official group such at a registered match at 600 yards with quite a few more holes in it.

The only one coming up with "3 years" seems to be you. Now you're going in the opposite direction with your hyperbole about $50 rifles and $20 scopes. We get it, you don't like .22lr. We don't care why you don't like .22lr. Just stop posting lies and nonsense already.

[osis32]

Lynn you're dealing only on the extreme spectrum which most people do not fit into. There are way more average shooters than naturals or hopeless combined. I don't know many people that learned how to run before they could walk or any instructor that has advised that method for learning.

[FMJBT]

A simple, accurate rifle like the Savage Mk II varmint would be my suggestion for a first rifle to learn on. For optics, again simplicity and affordability are deciding factors here. Go with something proven and cheap like the Bushnell 10X40 mil dot. You'll get a rock solid scope that allows you to learn all the tricks of rangefinding and holds using mils, or dialing in corrections with the matching mil turrets. Total cost of the rifle, optics, base and rings would be around $550.00.

The 22 doesn't have to merely be a stepping stone to get to a larger rifle either. It can be a valuable training tool to augment your heavier caliber rifles. Even with a variety of larger caliber rifles at my disposal, I still use the Savage Mk II on a regular basis. It's a great way to keep your skills reasonably fresh without having to lug a bunch of equipment out to the desert. I can go to the local range and shoot out to 100, 200 or 300 yards all day, and not feel like a burnt chakboard eraser from laying out in the desert sun and having dirt blasted into my face for several hours. Don't get me wrong, nothing compares to hearing the delayed "Ping!" of ringing steel at a distance, and the sunburn is a small price to pay for getting to do that. Sometimes though, it is nice to dial it back a bit and plink at paper or cans with a 22 at reduced ranges.

[Grimey]

Why not a Savage 12LRP in 6.5 Creedmoor ?

[magnusson]

Long range is for pillow biters who like the prone position, real men bump fire their AKs with a 12 pack of Bud in the woods.

[LynnJr]

The only one coming up with "3 years" seems to be you. Now you're going in the opposite direction with your hyperbole about $50 rifles and $20 scopes. We get it, you don't like .22lr. We don't care why you don't like .22lr. Just stop posting lies and nonsense already.

CSACANNONEER
So, yea, spending $3000 on a quality .22lr that won't depreciate and then spending another $5000 on a centerfire set up would end up SAVING the OP thousands of dollars in the long run.Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

russ69
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Originally Posted by Merc1138 View Post
No one ever told him to spend $2600 on a .22lr rifle. You definitely are delusional.
That would be my recommendation. You just can't have too good of a 22LR Rifle (or too many). Nothing will teach you the fundamentals better than a top Olymipic level gun.


Merc1138
I think your reading skills could use a little bit of polishing.
I would never tell someone interested in Longrange shooting to buy a 22.I wouldn't tell someone interested in Formula 1 to buy a 3 speed Schwinn bicycle either.
You didn't put up a post about the headspace you know nothing about but now your handing out more bad advice on a sport you know nothing about.I just finished posting on the Calfee website and come here to find out from you of all people that I don't like 22's.You simply can't make this stuff up.

To the OP if you live in northern California you are cordially invited to shoot longrange using my guns and my ammo for free.We will shoot at 600 yards and post your targets here.You won't need any 22 ammo or camo and we won't check the headspace on my rifles.
If you live in southern California and are free on September 22nd I will be at the Ojai 600 yard match if I get my A zone deer before that.I will pay your entrance fees and you can shoot two of my guns free of charge with free ammo with 10 minutes worth of my instructions and we will post the targets here for all to see how you did.

If you never hit the target as was mentioned earlier I will give you a brick of good 22 ammo.

[Steve_In_29]

Any body that thinks a NEW shooter should skip learning the fundamentals on something like a .22 and instead jump right into a 1000yd setup is an idiot.

This is akin to what I have seen in the 4x4 world, where someone that has never wheeled in their life but has a good paying job decides to start. They proceed to buy a new Jeep (or other vehicle) and head down to 4WheelParts with their credit card. After laying out close to $40K (vehicle and mods) they drive to the trail and proceed to destroy their new toy (and in some cases hurt themselves) through having no idea what they are supposed to do once the tires get off pavement.

A quality bolt gun in .22 from Savage or CZ along with a decent scope can be had for less then $1K. Buy some match .22 ammo and go for it. Once the shooter can reliably make single hole groups at 100yds he is ready to step up to larger calibers and longer distances.

Unless the OP has more money then he knows what to do with and an iron shoulder, there is no way he is going to be able to afford/withstand the amount of rounds he will have to put down range to MASTER the basics with a centerfire 1000yd round.

A .22 will allow him to INEXPENSIVELY shoot the THOUSANDS of practice rounds required to develop the requisite muscle memory needed for repeatable groups.

[Merc1138]

Now he's rambling about F1 and 3 speed bicycles. Wow.

[Altahick]

Any body that thinks a NEW shooter should skip learning the fundamentals on something like a .22 and instead jump right into a 1000yd setup is an idiot.

This is akin to what I have seen in the 4x4 world, where someone that has never wheeled in their life but has a good paying job decides to start. They proceed to buy a new Jeep (or other vehicle) and head down to 4WheelParts with their credit card. After laying out close to $40K (vehicle and mods) they drive to the trail and proceed to destroy their new toy (and in some cases hurt themselves) through having no idea what they are supposed to do once the tires get off pavement.

A quality bolt gun in .22 from Savage or CZ along with a decent scope can be had for less then $1K. Buy some match .22 ammo and go for it. Once the shooter can reliably make single hole groups at 100yds he is ready to step up to larger calibers and longer distances.

Unless the OP has more money then he knows what to do with and an iron shoulder, there is no way he is going to be able to afford/withstand the amount of rounds he will have to put down range to MASTER the basics with a centerfire 1000yd round.

A .22 will allow him to INEXPENSIVELY shoot the THOUSANDS of practice rounds required to develop the requisite muscle memory needed for repeatable groups.

this is good advice. i see two logical options to begin in long range shooting. a nice bolt action .22 cheap, and great to learn the fundamentals. or a savage, remington, ruger etc .223, .243 etc. with a bolt action .223 or .243 you can still learn fundamentals somewhat cheap(ish) and still get 200,300 yd and so on practice.

[russ69]

...The $3300 anschutz... lol. I was thinking more along the lines of a $400-$600 rifle, Kimber/CZ/Savage/etc.

Don't think small. Why limit yourself?

... BB gun back yard. Less than 100$ to learn. 10/22 269$ to learn. Cheap BSA 60$.

My backyard "BB" guns are also Olympic quality. They are almost as expensive as good 22 rifles and by that I mean expensive German rifles.

...The 22 doesn't have to merely be a stepping stone to get to a larger rifle either. It can be a valuable training tool to augment your heavier caliber rifles....

I didn't get serious about smallbore shooting until I wanted to improve my highpower scores. It stepped up my highpower shooting a ton.

[Merc1138]

Don't think small. Why limit yourself?


My backyard "BB" guns are also Olympic quality. They are almost as expensive as good 22 rifles and by that I mean expensive German rifles.


I didn't get serious about smallbore shooting until I wanted to improve my highpower scores. It stepped up my highpower shooting a ton.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not disagreeing with the comment about the anschutz being worthwhile, I just don't think it's particularly necessary. If the OP wants to spend that much, sure why not.

[RobGR]

OP, don't go .22lr, go .17 hmr

Definitely take an Appleseed class as well.

[Cypriss32]

Hmm buy this, buy that.... I'm so confused.

[russ69]

Don't get me wrong. I'm not disagreeing with the comment about the anschutz being worthwhile, I just don't think it's particularly necessary. If the OP wants to spend that much, sure why not.

I hear you. An Anschutz target rifle is a major expense. You have to be really serious to lay out that kind of bread.

[ar15barrels]

Well post what the costs for the 22 with base rings and scope.

$500 Savage mark 2tr
$300 Nikon buckmaster 4.5-15x40 with mildot reticle amd side focus
$40 egw picatinny rail
$60 TPS 1" medium rings
$85 Harris S-BRM bipod
$15 pod-loc
$60 sling
$600 case of wolf match target ammo (5000 rounds)
~$100 Appleseed weekend of instruction on fundamentals.
That should keep a new precision rifle shooter busy for a solid year of quality shooting.