Long Rang Shooting

[LynnJr]

Just ignore LynnJr. He's so far out of touch with reality I wonder how he understands English. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=799650 Read that if you want to see more of his nonsense.

Over 12,000 posts and you haven't learned a thing.

Please realize there are actual real shooters who visit this website once in a while.

6 NORMA BR
Sku:
18671
Caliber:
6 NORMA BR
Handed:
Right
Rate of Twist:
8
Weight:
11 lbs
Overall Length:
46.25"
Barrel Length:
26"
Ammo Capacity:
1
MSRP:
$1395.00

Here is the full retail price on a rifle that will ballistically outperform any 308 at 1000 yards and the ammo cost $39.99 a box.
Yes he can learn with a 22 but that is simply wasting time when he can shoot right now and do what he wants to do not rather than what you want him to do.

Long ranges are rare and usually are far away and/or cost more to shoot at. 6BR, 7mmX, 6.5x284 ammo is expensive. Those rifles can be expensive. The glass needed to shoot long range is expensive.

Do you honestly see the price of these items dropping after he spends the next three years practicing with his 22?

[CobraRed]

Spend $2600 on a rifle

($1400 rifle, $80 base, $75 rings, $75 bipod and $1000 glass)

Then spend $2 a pop aiming the first shots you've ever fired while using a scope you've had no practice adjusting at targets 600+ yards away.

Solid advice.

[Altahick]

just get a savage .243. cheap enough to practice with, shoot 100 yds or so to learn, then when you starting long range the rifle is more than capable. when the time comes (if the time comes) that you are outperforming the rifle you can have it rebarreled pretty cheap, change stock,, trigger etc. of course the remington 700, ruger american etc etc are good choices, but i am a big savage fan. it would be a good idea to start with a .22 but you can learn on a centerfire rifle just costs more

[Merc1138]

Over 12,000 posts and you haven't learned a thing.

Please realize there are actual real shooters who visit this website once in a while.

6 NORMA BR
Sku:
18671
Caliber:
6 NORMA BR
Handed:
Right
Rate of Twist:
8
Weight:
11 lbs
Overall Length:
46.25"
Barrel Length:
26"
Ammo Capacity:
1
MSRP:
$1395.00

Here is the full retail price on a rifle that will ballistically outperform any 308 at 1000 yards and the ammo cost $39.99 a box.
Yes he can learn with a 22 but that is simply wasting time when he can shoot right now and do what he wants to do not rather than what you want him to do.

Uhhh... I think your example rifle is missing something there.

1. $1400 rifle
2. ??????
3. $2/rd ammo

Did you even read the OP?

BTW yes I know real shooters visit this website. Did you type that to remind yourself of this?(you can claim to be the most "real shooter" all you want, but you're still just delusional)

[LynnJr]

Spend $2600 on a rifle

($1400 rifle, $80 base, $75 rings, $75 bipod and $1000 glass)

Then spend $2 a pop aiming the first shots you've ever fired while using a scope you've had no practice adjusting at targets 600+ yards away.

Solid advice.

Speaking of straw men you are kidding right?Seriously You have to be kidding?

You want him to buy a 22 rifle ammo a scope scope bases and rings then once he learns the fundamentals he buys the rifle I recommend so double your $2600 and you want him to spend $5200.You must be kidding right?Do it all twice
Now that is Sound Advice.

Also who said he starts shooting at 600 yards? Couldn't he shoot a box or two through it at 100 first? Then move out to 600 like most people do?
Your advice doubles his costs and takes him away from what he wants to do.


Merc1138

I can see You have difficulty in following what is being said just like your earlier rant on the headspace thread.

If you read that original thread You will see were a poster said an action wouldn't close on his go gauge.A few posts later the same poster said the ammo fit the chamber and the action would loosen up after some shooting so all would work okay.Remember he said it wouldn't close on the go gauge.I notice you didn't say that he was delusional did I miss that? He did say it wouldn't close didn't he?

You simply don't understand headspace and that is obvious so why not start a new thread and ask about it?

I will give you some help but if the reading becomes difficult don't panic just ask for an explanation.

If I drop two barrels off at Gary O'cocks shop or Lester Bruno's shop they will chamber them up in 6ppc for me.They are both gunsmiths and are both in the Benchrest Hall Of Fame.
When the barrels show up chances are that the headspace won't be the same.This does not matter to a real shooter as they will adjust there reloading dies to make up for the variation.
I know you don't understand any of that but it is true.
Now go start a new thread titled "Headspace"and ask why and you can cut copy and paste what I wrote so you ask it right.

[FMJBT]

So you practice fundmentals.... then try more difficult things once you have skills to build on?

This is a crazy new regiment we're wading into, gunna change the shooting scene altogether once people hear about this.

[Merc1138]

Speaking of straw men you are kidding right?Seriously You have to be kidding?

You want him to buy a 22 rifle ammo a scope scope bases and rings then once he learns the fundamentals he buys the rifle I recommend so double your $2600 and you want him to spend $5200.You must be kidding right?.

No one ever told him to spend $2600 on a .22lr rifle. You definitely are delusional.

[CobraRed]

Speaking of straw men you are kidding right?Seriously You have to be kidding?

You want him to buy a 22 rifle ammo a scope scope bases and rings then once he learns the fundamentals he buys the rifle I recommend so double your $2600 and you want him to spend $5200.You must be kidding right?Do it all twice
Now that is Sound Advice.

Also who said he starts shooting at 600 yards? Couldn't he shoot a box or two through it at 100 first? Then move out to 600 like most people do?
Your advice doubles his costs and takes him away from what he wants to do.

Im not the one saying spend $2500 on the first thing he ever shoots, you are.
I'm not the one saying a new shooter should be able to shoot 600+, you are.

I actually outlined the cost of the route you suggested, you're just wildly throwing around numbers to support your argument

i.e. Strawman

[russ69]

No one ever told him to spend $2600 on a .22lr rifle. You definitely are delusional.

That would be my recommendation. You just can't have too good of a 22LR Rifle (or too many). Nothing will teach you the fundamentals better than a top Olymipic level gun. Like this: http://www.champchoice.com/prod-1913...GHT_-3664.aspx

Grated everyone I know started with galley rifle shooting back in the day.

[CobraRed]

Oh cool, we're doing pictures now

That would be my recommendation. You just can't have too good of a 22LR Rifle (or too many). Nothing will teach you the fundamentals better than a top Olymipic level gun. Like this: http://www.champchoice.com/prod-1913...GHT_-3664.aspx

Grated everyone I know started with galley rifle shooting back in the day.

Haha, if the OP's budget is $3,300 w/out optics then I just might concede the point of getting a 6-7mm rifle from the get go. Yet, still doing days worth of shooting at the 100 yard line first (assuming again $ isn't an issue).

But really, who has regretted buying thier .22 rifle?

[Merc1138]

But really, who has regretted buying thier .22 rifle?

The oddball forum user here and there that complains about .22 being a sissy round.

The $3300 anschutz... lol. I was thinking more along the lines of a $400-$600 rifle, Kimber/CZ/Savage/etc.

[Stockton]

Sight picture. Breathing. Cheek weld. Trigger squeeze. Dime or washer. BB gun back yard. Less than 100$ to learn. 10/22 269$ to learn. Cheap BSA 60$.

[CSACANNONEER]

I know a few people who have started their shooter careers by buying 50cal BR rifles. One, in particular can shoot very well and is a well respected 50 shooter and, now a highly regarded developer/vendor of the "Eng rest". Another one shot a 150 15x during one day of a 2 day match. That's a perfect score. But, those are the exceptions. Spending $2000 of a .22lr will more than pay for itself in the saving from ammo, travelling to 1000 yard ranges, etc. So, yea, spending $3000 on a quality .22lr that won't depreciate and then spending another $5000 on a centerfire set up would end up SAVING the OP thousands of dollars in the long run.Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

[Altahick]

No one ever told him to spend $2600 on a .22lr rifle. You definitely are delusional.

he is

[LynnJr]

Im not the one saying spend $2500 on the first thing he ever shoots, you are.
I'm not the one saying a new shooter should be able to shoot 600+, you are.

I actually outlined the cost of the route you suggested, you're just wildly throwing around numbers to support your argument

i.e. Strawman

Well post what the costs for the 22 with base rings and scope are now and what the cost and the build would be on your recommended rifle for 3 years down the road.Also post what the scope base and rings will cost in 3 years.

This is were you will now say buy a $50 rifle and a $20 scope to learn on and in 3 years everything will be cheaper for longrange right?

I fully understand you honestly believe that everybody needs to sweep the shop floor before they can move up the ladder and make pizza sauce but in reality this is not true.Some shooters will never get it no matter how much 22 shooting they do while others will take to it like a duck to water.
Your outline of my costs is spot on s a factory Remington plinker costs about $400 less.
Tell us what rifle he should get in 3 years as you have really peaked my interest.
And here is an Official group such at a registered match at 600 yards with quite a few more holes in it.