CZ 527??

[static2126]

Well thanks so much for all of the information. I have decided to pick one up but I am looking, I am afraid, for a bit of a unicorn: The Mannlicher stocked 223 with the 1/9 twist. Again, thanks for all the input.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/971067723

[Capybara]

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/971067723

That's a beauty but cha-ching $$$

[Hogback]

Mannlicher refers to the bavarian rear end? I have a 222 with that rear, but not fs. It has a slight swoop down at the front of the fore. Is this what 'Schnabel' (sp?) refers to? Mine is 1:14 which certainly has narrowed copper bullet choices.

[200Apples]

Mannlicher refers to the bavarian rear end?

Afaik, "Mannlicher" when describing only a rifle stock means a full-length stock from butt to muzzle. Mannlicher may have been the designer, but lore has it that the first example was made for a gentleman (or a prince, a Duke, whomever) who liked to use his carbine as a walking stick. Hence the stock continuation to the muzzle.

The buttstock cheek shape you refer to, also afaik, is more often referenced as a "euro" feature.

[200Apples]

The "walking stick" thing if true must have come along later. Check this out:

The aesthetics of the 1888 also contributed to later Mannlicher-Schoenauers. Carbines produced for cavalry units that featured "stutzen" stocks that terminated in a metal cap at the muzzle. The style was common on compact European military carbines and was designed to protect their lightweight barrels. While the handle on early turnbolt military rifles was often a round knob that protruded out at a 90 degree angle, the bolt on the ?88 carbine featured a turned down and flattened, or "spatulated", handle that made the carbine more compact for carry in a scabbard.

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The classic 1903 carbine has a 450 mm (17.7") barrel, a common length for European cavalry carbines?in a slender profile that approximates a modern No. 1. It was stocked to the muzzle, an aesthetic that the rifle made so iconic that to this day such a stock is known simply as a ?Mannlicher.? The entire package had an overall length just under 40" and weighed about 6 lbs. For the American shooter, the compactness and handiness of the 1903 carbine is most similar to that of a Winchester Model 94, which along with the Mannlicher-Schoenauer are what Jeff Cooper said inspired his scout rifle concept. Though most famous in its carbine form, Steyr also made a long-barreled, half-stocked rifle version.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/con...nauer-carbine/

[static2126]

My CZ 527 in 7.62x39 with 35 yard zero

Plus CZ 455 in .22lr with 25 yard zero

https://imgur.com/a/E3eulL2