Remy 700 actions

[LynnJr]

https://www.gricegunshop.com/rgu27557-rem-action-700-la-blue-mag-bf.html

Here is a 700 magnum action with the bolt and trigger for $340.
I would ask $35 for the trigger on ebay and $75 for the bolt.
The trigger will sell for $35 - $50 but the bolt will sell for $175-$225 meaning you got /e bare receiver for $140 down to $65.
Go to ebay and checkout what people are getting for a 700 bolt.

[Mute]

Good to know. Any idea on the max COL they'll take?

The PSR magazines are DSSF and have an outer length of 4.2". That would be useful if anybody made a chassis that allowed their use with other actions.

Don't know about mags for the other calibers, but I've measured a 300WM AXMC mag at 3.825"

[G38xOC]

https://www.gricegunshop.com/rgu2755...ue-mag-bf.html

Here is a 700 magnum action with the bolt and trigger for $340.
I would ask $35 for the trigger on ebay and $75 for the bolt.
The trigger will sell for $35 - $50 but the bolt will sell for $175-$225 meaning you got /e bare receiver for $140 down to $65.
Go to ebay and checkout what people are getting for a 700 bolt.

Thanks . I'm leaning towards buying custom action for this build with recoil lug and rail made with action after some reading . More importantly, have to have lefty option .

[ar15barrels]

If you want to stick with a Remington 700 Action, Pacific Tool and Gauge offers blueprinted 700 actions.

There is a dirty little secret about those supposedly blueprinted actions.
They are NOT fully trued.
They are only partially trued.

Being fully trued is like being pregnant.
It's either fully trued or it's not.

[ShaunBrady]

I pretty much trust Kevin Owen, but he wasn't paying for any of them. It's not a matter of is it any good in my mind. I figure nothing Barrett is going to be a bargain, but wanted to know whether it's somewhat overpriced, or outrageously overpriced.

Overpriced is probably a bit harsh. It's built to win a military contract. That military contract was configured to give US trained snipers maximum advantage over their opponents.

There is no doubt that there is a "military" aura that affects the price of civilian guns.

More than a hobbyist needs might be a better way to look at it. I would be happy to have one, but I'm not going to buy it. I do have 3 of the Magnum RPRs.

[ShaunBrady]

There is a dirty little secret about those supposedly blueprinted actions.
They are NOT fully trued.
They are only partially trued.

Being fully trued is like being pregnant.
It's either fully trued or it's not.

The only one handled by anybody I trust had no machine work at all.

A PTG bolt had been dropped into it. "Select fit" would be as far as I'd go.

Remington wasn't able to make a decent bolt in this century, so PTG's approach did have some appeal.

I'm pretty sure the source of those actions was poor Remington sales as they slid into bankruptcy and their sale was an effort to generate cash. I definitely wouldn't backorder anything like that until we find out if the new owners are going to supply them. Modern supply practices would suggest no. I'm also waiting to see if the supply of R700 small parts dries up.

A trued factory action still isn't a quality aftermarket action. It takes care of the internal alignment of the barrel and bolt, but the action OD isn't aligned with the ID and the action screws still won't be on the centerline or clocked properly.

Most of the scope base holes I check before opening them up to #8 seem to be aligned to the ID to within a few thousandths. The 1/4" action screws often won't fit in 5/16" holes. Do you have any idea why that is?

Yes, bedding covers a lot of that up. But not really.

[ShaunBrady]

Thanks . I'm leaning towards buying custom action for this build with recoil lug and rail made with action after some reading . More importantly, have to have lefty option .

The lefty thing will help narrow down your choices.

You'll be less likely to paint yourself into a corner if you start with a stock or chassis you'd like to use and checking the available inlets before you order that action.

[ShaunBrady]

https://www.gricegunshop.com/rgu2755...ue-mag-bf.html

Here is a 700 magnum action with the bolt and trigger for $340.
I would ask $35 for the trigger on ebay and $75 for the bolt.
The trigger will sell for $35 - $50 but the bolt will sell for $175-$225 meaning you got /e bare receiver for $140 down to $65.
Go to ebay and checkout what people are getting for a 700 bolt.

He's a lefty Lynn.

This is his first custom gun. He can't name all the parts he needs to finish it off the top of his head like you can.

My personal misery factor for dealing with the public is $100. Less than that, it gets tossed into a box and forgotten. I have 3 R700 bolts in that box.

[sigstroker]

Overpriced is probably a bit harsh. It's built to win a military contract. That military contract was configured to give US trained snipers maximum advantage over their opponents.

There is no doubt that there is a "military" aura that affects the price of civilian guns.

More than a hobbyist needs might be a better way to look at it. I would be happy to have one, but I'm not going to buy it. I do have 3 of the Magnum RPRs.

Barrett was selling MRADs before the contract came up. Maybe the feature set was improved for the contract?

I look at them as sort of a discount AI, plus am a fan because they refused to work on kali LE guns after they banned fifties.

[ar15barrels]

I have barrelled a dozen or more of them.
I think the lug seats and the face may have been touched up but the barrel threads were not touched and the bolt bore was not touched so the reciever is certainly not coaxially aligned.
When I true, I run a 0.705" piloted reamer through the bolt bore to start and then everything is indexed to that bore including the barrel threads, lug abutments and the receiver face.

The only one handled by anybody I trust had no machine work at all.

A PTG bolt had been dropped into it. "Select fit" would be as far as I'd go.

[ShaunBrady]

Barrett was selling MRADs before the contract came up. Maybe the feature set was improved for the contract?

I look at them as sort of a discount AI, plus am a fan because they refused to work on kali LE guns after they banned fifties.

Depends which contract you're referring to. The MRAD was a featured up 98B for the 2009 solicitation. That solicitation had been kicked down the road for so many years it was a bit of a standing joke. Remington won, but had the contract pulled when they started substituting their own barrels and couldn't make the accuracy requirement anymore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_MRAD

My thoughts are the price isn't out of line for that class of gun produced in those quantities. In addition to the AI, look at what civilian MSRs sold for.

[G38xOC]

The lefty thing will help narrow down your choices.

You'll be less likely to paint yourself into a corner if you start with a stock or chassis you'd like to use and checking the available inlets before you order that action.

Thank you !

[RickD427]

There is a dirty little secret about those supposedly blueprinted actions.
They are NOT fully trued.
They are only partially trued.

Being fully trued is like being pregnant.
It's either fully trued or it's not.

Randall,

Thanks for the info. I've never used the PTG actions. I have used a lot of other PTG products and have been well satisfied with them.

I'm a newbie at 100/200 yard Benchrest after 30 years of shooting tactical rifles. My original tactical rifle was a Remington 700 that had been built up by the Robar shop in Phoenix. I had (notice the past verb tense) thought that I was shooting well with Federal Match Ammo. But the groups that I'm shooting with a LV Gun and handloads are quite substantially better.

I doubt that I'll back to another 700 build. The BAT and Nesika actions that I'm now dialing in are quite a bit better. What has been your experience with those two?

[ShaunBrady]

When I true, I run a 0.705" piloted reamer through the bolt bore to start and then everything is indexed to that bore including the barrel threads, lug abutments and the receiver face.

This is the standard definition of a full true. It still doesn't address the misalignment of the support from the OD and action screws. The recoil lug will be square to the bore, but not the external surface of the action. I read somewhere that Remington used a surface grinder to align the OD in the bedding area on 40X rifles up to the mid '60s. That was likely after hand selecting receivers for straight action screws.

The yellow book version of that is a trued action may not sit straight in a stock or chassis. Bedding makes the situation better but doesn't completely fix it.

I have that setup and used it once. Now I use the reamer and pilots to set up for a short true or check scope mount hole alignment in the mill. The meat of that work is a clean set of threads of known dimensions with a face square to them. Just touching up the face of the receiver to an arbitrary axis instead of the threads is of no value at best. The purpose of that part of the truing process is to cut the threads and face in one setup.

I think the tight thread thing is overdone or done improperly by some smiths. What you're really after is matching pitch diameters. Leaving the barrel tenon diameter oversized will produce a tight fit radially and the barrel won't rock in the action, but it isn't a great joint and is likely to gall. You would still have a great self-centering joint if you machined off the non pressure faces of the threads. It would rock like crazy until it came up tight but it'd be self centering and not require much rotation to come up to torque after initial contact.

Trued actions are not the same as a good custom. If you're shopping custom actions on price, you'll probably get what you pay for.

[sigstroker]

Depends which contract you're referring to. The MRAD was a featured up 98B for the 2009 solicitation. That solicitation had been kicked down the road for so many years it was a bit of a standing joke. Remington won, but had the contract pulled when they started substituting their own barrels and couldn't make the accuracy requirement anymore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_MRAD

Kevin Owens made it sound like the Remington had a LOT more problems than that, but maybe he just didn't like Remington.

My thoughts are the price isn't out of line for that class of gun produced in those quantities. In addition to the AI, look at what civilian MSRs sold for.

Maybe if I somehow become gun-money rich again, I'll pick one up. Even though I only have 400 yards I can shoot.

This is the standard definition of a full true. It still doesn't address the misalignment of the support from the OD and action screws. The recoil lug will be square to the bore, but not the external surface of the action. I read somewhere that Remington used a surface grinder to align the OD in the bedding area on 40X rifles up to the mid '60s. That was likely after hand selecting receivers for straight action screws.

The yellow book version of that is a trued action may not sit straight in a stock or chassis. Bedding makes the situation better but doesn't completely fix it.

I have that setup and used it once. Now I use the reamer and pilots to set up for a short true or check scope mount hole alignment in the mill. The meat of that work is a clean set of threads of known dimensions with a face square to them. Just touching up the face of the receiver to an arbitrary axis instead of the threads is of no value at best. The purpose of that part of the truing process is to cut the threads and face in one setup.

I think the tight thread thing is overdone or done improperly by some smiths. What you're really after is matching pitch diameters. Leaving the barrel tenon diameter oversized will produce a tight fit radially and the barrel won't rock in the action, but it isn't a great joint and is likely to gall. You would still have a great self-centering joint if you machined off the non pressure faces of the threads. It would rock like crazy until it came up tight but it'd be self centering and not require much rotation to come up to torque after initial contact.

Trued actions are not the same as a good custom. If you're shopping custom actions on price, you'll probably get what you pay for.

Since a custom action only costs maybe 600 or 700 bucks more than a Remington, it seems like not the best area to squeeze the budget, compared to the overall cost of the rifle.