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  • #76
    diver160651
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2012
    • 1764

    Scope For Bench Shooting

    Originally posted by JMP
    There's a lot of good information.
    Only for those that understand it.

    I responded after my trail run on my phone to your post. But just realized that I might have used too much jargon for most other than you..

    For clarity, below.. Again, apologies if any of this sounds anything more than an attempt to be helpful ~ Boy, seems my messed up writing style is always forcing me to apologize.. (need that in my signature) maybe, I should've use more plane, long explanations.

    PLRF = Pocket Laser Rangefinder, small and portable.. some non-civilian options are fairly large, Like LADAR(not mentioned) or large Binos

    The V21 or V23 are Binos that are laser range finders, primarily used in Mil and Fed departments. The V23 upgrades the distance a bit from 12,000 meters on the V21 I've spent time behind, but more importantly, both will provide distance between targets. The best versions are not detectable with NV and cost about 30K http://www.safran-vectronix.com/prod...ctor-21-nite//

    The 25C is a PLRF that has amazing performance for such a small package around 9k. I've used this model, and if you can get your hands on it, you'll love it, but then your probably a FFS guy and already using a Trimble (Field Firing solutions) http://www.safran-vectronix.com/product/plrf25c/

    15C and the Terrapin also are great from the above company if you can secure one, I've also had both, just worth every penny.

    CEP a common term in some circles, Circular Error of Probability, used to describe your chances of hitting something. A hit or 3 is just luck once the CEP is larger than your target..

    Spotter 60 arguably the best field spotting scope with German Glass from Hensoldt and a nice reticle about $4500

    Swaro is Swarovki Optic and the STR is amazing but HUGE.. also around the above price.. but not as field proven or compact as the Spotter 60 http://www.swarovskioptik.com/huntin...0-moa-p5174923

    MK4 TMR 20-60 80 is a Leopold spotting scope that is way below the cool German glass but rugged.. Leupold is really, today 3rd tier (sorry) but about 1/2 price of the German stuff http://www.cabelas.com/product/LEUPO...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

    Getzo and RRS are tripod companies. RRS (Really Right Stuff) support the precision shooting community with solid stable CF (Carbon Fiber) tripods and direct mounts.. RRS makes and excellent shooting platform when prone is not an option.

    Geared Head - these are heavy 3 axis tripod heads used with heavy spotters so you can dial the head to precision index the spotter.

    PBZ Point Blank Zero or MPBZ Maximum point blank zero references the distances or maximum, you can aim at the center of the vital zone and still hit that zone.

    Indexing. Some people call it holding, were you can use the target or parts of the target in relation to the subtension of the scope. Holds are were you move the reticle off center in order to compensate for wind or bullet drop.

    I think thats about all I referenced (jargon wise) that might be misunderstood. The Mil & Fed training references I made earlier, are easily looked up.
    Last edited by diver160651; 09-10-2017, 8:21 AM.
    D.I.Y. a Target Cam for ELR
    NOTE: images not all working correctly due to limitations on the site

    D.I.Y. Barricade simulator using RRS tripod.

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    • #77
      diver160651
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2012
      • 1764

      Originally posted by LynnJr
      If your having trouble with a BDC you can call Kenton Industries and have them Lazer etch a turret that matches your exact bullet and velocity for under $100 and they work easier than any SFO/FFP scope you can buy.
      Remember the BCD scope caps with Leupold? You needed a lot of them just as you would reticules if you shot various ammo.. And that scope, that BATCH of ammo was not transferrable to any other rifle
      D.I.Y. a Target Cam for ELR
      NOTE: images not all working correctly due to limitations on the site

      D.I.Y. Barricade simulator using RRS tripod.

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      • #78
        TMB 1
        Calguns Addict
        • Dec 2012
        • 7153

        Originally posted by diver160651
        Remember the BCD scope caps with Leupold? You needed a lot of them just as you would reticules if you shot various ammo.. And that scope, that BATCH of ammo was not transferrable to any other rifle
        The Carlos Hathcock Method of Sighting in a Rifle.
        As mentioned before, I was a very young Marine Sergeant when I came up to THE Marine Corps Rifle Team the first time as the junior Armorer. I didn't grow up using high power rifles. We used shotguns to hunt quail, rabbits, squirrels, pheasants, ducks and geese. I used a Mark I Ruger Target...


        We also marked the scope adjustment settings with different color nail polish for each yard line.
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        • #79
          TMB 1
          Calguns Addict
          • Dec 2012
          • 7153

          Originally posted by NorCalFocus
          Sure if you want to guess and fire multiple shots till you get a hit. I want a first round hit.

          Also no your not guessing using a MIL or MOA hash scope that you can dial. That's the whole point.
          Why not just remember how to aim it to get a first round hit?
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          • #80
            NorCalFocus
            Veteran Member
            • Aug 2013
            • 3913

            Originally posted by TMB 1
            Why not just remember how to aim it to get a first round hit?


            Yes that's my point.

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            • #81
              TMB 1
              Calguns Addict
              • Dec 2012
              • 7153

              Originally posted by NorCalFocus
              Yes that's my point.
              So why do you have to guess and fire multiple rounds?
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              • #82
                NorCalFocus
                Veteran Member
                • Aug 2013
                • 3913

                Originally posted by TMB 1
                So why do you have to guess and fire multiple rounds?


                That was my reply to the other poster saying using using a BDC you just hold off your best estimate when you shoot a distance that your BDC isn't marked for.

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                • #83
                  wpod
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2014
                  • 2395

                  "Maximum Point Blank Range"
                  What is the best AR15 zero? It's one where you have to estimate distance as little as possible to hit your target. Point. Click. Hit. Read up inside.

                  Can hit a 6 inch circle out to 300 yards with a single hold with an AR. At/after 300 yards, use the BDC.

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                  • #84
                    diver160651
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2012
                    • 1764

                    Scope For Bench Shooting

                    Originally posted by TMB 1
                    The Carlos Hathcock Method of Sighting in a Rifle.

                    http://m14forum.com/gus-fisher/63019...ing-rifle.html


                    Like this? See the yellow tape on the USO


                    On my deck


                    DIY ELR Target Cam with DVR - well proven 2000m+ 2 camera, multiple monitors - link below

                    D.I.Y. a Target Cam for ELR
                    NOTE: images not all working correctly due to limitations on the site

                    D.I.Y. Barricade simulator using RRS tripod.

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                    • #85
                      TMB 1
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Dec 2012
                      • 7153

                      Originally posted by diver160651
                      Like this? See the yellow tape on the USO


                      On my deck


                      DIY ELR Target Cam with DVR - well proven 2000m+ 2 camera, multiple monitors - link below

                      https://forum.snipershide.com/forum/...vr#post6291944
                      Yeah, that works too.

                      Nice deck
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                      • #86
                        Apollo
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 868

                        Originally posted by LynnJr
                        Apollo
                        I am glad you said California and not Florida!!!!!
                        I hear the weather in Texas lately and I am glad to live here.
                        Yeah, there isn't much work or housing now that Harvey rolled through where I was living in Houston.



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                        Time spent hunting is not deducted from one's lifespan.

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                        • #87
                          LynnJr
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Jan 2013
                          • 7958

                          Originally posted by diver160651
                          Remember the BCD scope caps with Leupold? You needed a lot of them just as you would reticules if you shot various ammo.. And that scope, that BATCH of ammo was not transferrable to any other rifle

                          Diver
                          I am with you on the turrets. I bought one for my 6mm-06 using a 107 Sierra at 1800 feet of elevation and 3425 FPS and it is a great turret.
                          Now if I take the gun to a different elevation or change the load I either buy a new turret or a range card taped to the stock.
                          Been using it for years and now California bans lead cored bullets so I am toast in another year.
                          Lynn Dragoman, Jr.
                          Southwest Regional Director
                          Unlimited Range Shooters Association (URSA)
                          www.unlimitedrange.org
                          Not a commercial business.
                          URSA - Competition starts at 2000 yards!

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                          • #88
                            diver160651
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2012
                            • 1764

                            Originally posted by LynnJr
                            Diver

                            I am with you on the turrets. I bought one for my 6mm-06 using a 107 Sierra at 1800 feet of elevation and 3425 FPS and it is a great turret.

                            Now if I take the gun to a different elevation or change the load I either buy a new turret or a range card taped to the stock.

                            Been using it for years and now California bans lead cored bullets so I am toast in another year.


                            Ya, bummer. But I transitioned most my hunting loads already.

                            The deck image with the marked tape on the turrets actually is just replicating turret numbers so a fast spin mistake doesn't happen in a match. But I know people who put yardage on them.

                            Btw I posted that as more of a Carlos "shoot" one shot a day... i.e. Just walk outside as "tongue in cheek". But in truth, I can't other than my PCP.

                            But here is what I print depending on were I am traveling to...


                            Free and always more accurate as they come directly from that system and already drop confirmed. Of course I'll still do a terrain map and dope if I can.


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                            D.I.Y. a Target Cam for ELR
                            NOTE: images not all working correctly due to limitations on the site

                            D.I.Y. Barricade simulator using RRS tripod.

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                            • #89
                              LynnJr
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Jan 2013
                              • 7958

                              That is too much clutter for how I like to shoot.
                              Do you really hunt with a tri-pod?
                              Lynn Dragoman, Jr.
                              Southwest Regional Director
                              Unlimited Range Shooters Association (URSA)
                              www.unlimitedrange.org
                              Not a commercial business.
                              URSA - Competition starts at 2000 yards!

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                              • #90
                                diver160651
                                Senior Member
                                • Feb 2012
                                • 1764

                                Scope For Bench Shooting

                                Originally posted by LynnJr
                                That is too much clutter for how I like to shoot.

                                Do you really hunt with a tri-pod?
                                Clutter? Once you get completely used to them, you'll no longer think about them, but index targets naturally, accurately and fast.

                                If I have time to dial E then I hold for wind, for that, I like the S&B P4 fine or USO RDP as shown in the pictures earlier. These are simple vertical and horizontal subtensioned strata lines with thin centers. ELR, and general target shooting are examples of a good fit for this type of reticle.

                                But when I have multiple targets under time, I do not want to take my eye off the glass and manage the turrets. The amount of time that can take, plus having to reacquire the targets and or the risk of loosing it; I prefer the reticle as shown on my scope cap. PRS style or Hunting long range, are examples we're managing time and not having to taking eyes off the scope can be a big advantage.

                                Yes, I'll use a carbon fiber tripod, if I need a standing position and want a longer shot. They are super light, fast to deploy and really solid; but run about $1,500 ish for the RRS.

                                They pack small. With RRS head shown my pack

                                Gun mounted with QR attachment on other side to show pack size scale. Btw gun can be self-removed quickly without removing the pack.


                                DIY ELR Target Cam with DVR - well proven 2000m+ 2 camera, multiple monitors - link below

                                Last edited by diver160651; 09-10-2017, 3:36 PM.
                                D.I.Y. a Target Cam for ELR
                                NOTE: images not all working correctly due to limitations on the site

                                D.I.Y. Barricade simulator using RRS tripod.

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