Large caliber long range shooting

[Bushwack44]

I think you're overthinking the video. Not necessarily a bad thing but for the OP's sake (and my own), the KISS theory helps with clarifying.

In the video he clearly separates target shooting from hunting. The OP wanted a long range, low recoil caliber. My take away is the 7mm-08 Rem, 260 Rem or 243 Win.

I'm realizing...ask three expert marksman (or hunters) the same question and you'll get three different answers. Possibly because each person can't be totally objective when giving their opinion. Makes it difficult for a novice such as myself (and possibly the OP) to narrow down which caliber is best for a given purpose. What I particularly like about this video is he gives three answers based on what your need(s) is/are.

Now that I'm close to deciding which suits me for target shooting, it comes down to which rifle is best (let's save that for another thread).

[waveslayer]

More than the 6.5 grenade.

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/561788139

http://www.realguns.com/articles/333.htm

http://www.browning.com/products/firearms/rifles/a-bolt/a-bolt-medallion.html

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...ducts_id/80179

So what's your point? Im Trying to figure out what you are trying to say?

Not a lot of bolt Guns in the Grendel? I haven't seen a lot of semi-auto in .243, 7mm, .338, Warbirds, SAUM, etc.. so explain to me why it's a factor

My wife thinks I only have 3 guns

[russ69]

The 300H&H won a bunch of matches in the 50s and 60s but I've never heard of the 375 H&H being used in serious target competitions.

The big thirties were very popular for NRA long range shooting at one time. They will get the job done, however at the end of a long day the recoil takes it's toll and it was thought that points were being lost due to shooter fatigue. You can't discount the expense of shooting these big boomers either. They eat a pound of powder faster than a competitive eater eats hot dogs!

[Jonny0914]

Interesting thread. When I think large caliber, 375, 45, and 50 come to mind. I was surprised to see mentions of 30 and below.

Wasn't 375H&H a very successful 1000+ yard cartridge for a long time?

And the 45-110, 45-120, 50-90, 50-120, 50-140...

Or is that just a different"style" or class of long range shooting?

Not that a 300wm is a large caliber to say but in most of the threads I read the talk dies out at around 7mm 300WM and anything beyond that I haven't seen personally... I do have a understanding that with magnums you can save some issues with rifle jumping off target and I understand that's unwanted specially at a competition...
And now seeing everyone opinion and thoughts I have a better understanding of what I would want next depending on my plans...
Wich in this case hopefully Some competition later on

[MongooseV8]

It's easy to move up to a REAL cartridge though and get superior performance.
The only reason for a 6.5 grenade is if you are limited to an AR-15.
How many short action 700's do you see chambered in 6.5 grenade?

Not gonna lie I kinda want a 6.5 Grendel Model 7, but only cause I have most everything else covered already. And I like the weird stuff haha.

[ar15barrels]

Not gonna lie I kinda want a 6.5 Grendel Model 7

Those model 7 receivers at PTG sure are tempting...

http://pacifictoolandgauge.com/remington-model-7-actions/9337-remington-model-7-300-aac-blackout-action.html

[TKM]

Here you go. Two miles with a 45-70.

http://home.earthlink.net/~sharpsshtr/CritterPhotos/SandyHook/SandyHook.html

[MongooseV8]

Those model 7 receivers at PTG sure are tempting...

http://pacifictoolandgauge.com/remin...ut-action.html

Is it kosher to open up a 223 bolt face to a ppc diameter? I've seen the turned down and sleeved 7/700 bolts. I was thinking buy a remington 7 and a ptg ppc bolt. Only bad part is I'd be stuck with a sako extractor.

[MeatyMac]

Surgeon 591SA repeater action, small firing pin
Surgeon bottom metal, uses AI magazines
Krieger 6.5mm barrel, 1-7.5", 26", heavy Palma
McMillan A5 with KMW metal
Jewell Hunter Varmint trigger
APA Little Bastard brake
Seekins Precision rings
Kahles Gen. 3 K624i with SKMR2 reticle
Chambered in 6.5mm x 47 Lapua
140gr. Berger Hybrid bullets over Varget powder & CCI 450 primers

[ar15barrels]

Is it kosher to open up a 223 bolt face to a ppc diameter? I've seen the turned down and sleeved 7/700 bolts. I was thinking buy a remington 7 and a ptg ppc bolt. Only bad part is I'd be stuck with a sako extractor.

It was done for many years, right up until PTG started selling bolts.
It's not worth doing anymore as you can just get a PROPER sized PTG bolt.
Having to use a sako extractor due to the 0.440" boltface is a drag.
You lose the benefit of going with a 700 in the first place though.
At that point, I would probably get a coned bolt so you get the nicer feed cone.

[diver160651]

Large caliber long range shooting

I think you're overthinking the video.

No, His "101" series focus on LR & ELR Target Shooting (steel, etc) with LR field guns, NOT Bench Rest or Bench Guns . Make no mistake about it, LR field guns are hunting guns, animals mostly with less than 4 legs, some extreme range 4 leg hunting, but most common LR tactical type matches. While they use heaver barrels and much higher components than you see on the big 5 light weight hunting guns.. The key feature of these is portability and near to far range use facilitated by high travel subtentioned scopes.

Sure, everything is a target gun, I responded to the watching of REX's videos and the "Bench Gun" statement. Bench guns, are purposefully heavy, use heavy rests and other items like their scopes that limit usability in a field target situation. Their main job is tiny groups at KD and historically at less than ELR ranges (1000 and under).

In the video he clearly separates target shooting from hunting..

The OP wanted a long range, low recoil caliber..

I Never saw "Low recoil caliber.." in the original post ~ I saw this ~ Jonny0914 wrote-"I my self have 300winmag wich I use to hunt and target shoot... I just recently got into long range shooting (500+) and I figured I can use my caliber for long range application...
Is there is a thread on that please derect me to it.."

This are all long range target shooting Samples:

Field type guns: (both samples use very similar guns)
Here is a photo of a match: (yep I am sideways, but the pit is dug that way to force out of position shooting)


A photo capture from REX's video "Target" non-Hunting gun? - LOL


Bench Guns:

[ar15barrels]

Surgeon 591SA repeater action, small firing pin
Surgeon bottom metal, uses AI magazines
Krieger 6.5mm barrel, 1-7.5", 26", heavy Palma
McMillan A5 with KMW metal
Jewell Hunter Varmint trigger
APA Little Bastard brake
Seekins Precision rings
Kahles Gen. 3 K624i with SKMR2 reticle
Chambered in 6.5mm x 47 Lapua
140gr. Berger Hybrid bullets over Varget powder & CCI 450 primers

You just like posting your build sheet?
On your next barrel, go 8.25" twist.

[MeatyMac]

You just like posting your build sheet?

Yes, that's what the OP asked for, I saw plenty of Creedmoor's and Grendel's mentioned but no 6.5x47Lupua so I thought I'd post up mine.

On your next barrel, go 8.25" twist.

I might do that, but the 7.5" twist Krieger, 140gr. Berger Hybrids in the 6.5x47L was suggested to me by Joe Walls who finished 6th overall in the PRS open class last season, he uses the same mix in his PRS rifles but he likes his barrels 28" long.

[JMP]

I might do that, but the 7.5" twist Krieger, 140gr. Berger Hybrids in the 6.5x47L was suggested to me by Joe Walls who finished 6th overall in the PRS open class last season, he uses the same mix in his PRS rifles but he likes his barrels 28" long.

Usually 8-8.25" twist is used in the 6.5 short actions and 139-142gr bullets. With a longer barrel, you may not need as much twist since you get better velocity. Since twist is commonly expressed as a revolution per inches of travel, the velocity also helps with stability as you get more revolutions per second, which increases the rotational inertia. I like to use the slowest twist that works. I'd only go faster in twist if I had a shorter barrel and/or was using a soft load.

Overall, the 6.5 short actions are great picks from longer distance target shooting (up to 1km) as they all shoot well, the 260 Rem, 6.5 CD, 6.5 Lapua, etc. I'd avoid the 6.5 "Grenade" as it is under-powered for long distance. If you want a short stubby case for efficiency, go with the 6 BR or Dasher. 6mm is generally more effective at the longer ranges due to the higher velocities coupled with bullets that are very efficient for the caliber.

[Clever]

Large Caliber

My 300WM Load Data
Bullet:190gr SMK HPBT 50 Ct. 300 Win Mag
Powder: 74.3 RL22
Primer: WLRM
Brass: Winchester trimmed at 2.620
OAL: 3.335
Redding Competition Die's*


Rifle: Custom James Hoag Remington 700 300 Win Mag
Krieger Light Varmint Contour 27 inch 1:10 Twist
JP Enterprises Bennie Cooley Muzzle Brake
Scope: Nightforce NXS 5.5X22X56 NPR 2
Badger 20 MOA Base
Badger Max 50 Standard Scope Rings
Badger Bolt Knob
Tubbs Firing Pin
Timney Trigger 3.0 Lbs
Stock: AICS 1.5 Long action Fully Adjustable Aluminum Bedded OD Green
AICS Long Action 5 Round Magazine
Harris Bi Pod

My 308Win Load Data
Bullet: 308Win 168gr SMK HPBT 500 Ct.
OAL: 2.800
Powder: 46.5 BL-C(2)
Primer: Fed GM210M
Brass: Federal Trimmed to 2.015
OAL 2.800
Redding Competiton Die's


Rifle: Custom James Hoag Remington 700 .308 Win*
Krieger Light Varmint Contour 26 inch 1:10 Twist
Badger FTE Muzzle Brake
Scope:Leupold Mark4 8.5X25X50mm Mil Dot
Leupold 20 MOA Base
Leupold Mark4 Med. Scope Rings
Tubbs Firing Pin
Jewel Trigger 3.0 lbs
Stock:H&S Precision Fully Adjustable Tactical Aluminum & Glass Bedded*
H&S Precision Trigger guard with 10 Round Detachable Magazine
Harris Bi Pod*

My 338 Lapua Mag Load Data
Bullet: 338 cal. 300gr SMK HPBT 50Ct. Batch
Projectiles averaged .820 base to ogive
Ogive at 2.900 from bolt face to the lands OAL at 3.765 this will vary per Batch
Set at 2.880 Ogive .020 Jump OAL at 3.745 this will vary per Batch
Powder: 90.5 of Retumbo
Brass: Lapua trimmed to 2.716
Primer: Federal 215
Redding Competition Seating Die

Rifle: Sako TRG 42 338 Lapua Magnum
Barrel: 1:10 twist 27"
Sako Muzzle Brake
Sako Bi Pod
Sako 35moa scope Mount
Sako 30mm Scope Rings (5)
Sako Cheek Riser
Scope: Nightforce NXS 5.5X22X56 NPR 2