Decocking..

[shda5582]

Oh so you actually have ammo and your gun in different safes? opposite ends of the house?

Well how about you just say, "yeah sure honey, whatever you want". And then do whats right for you? Females can be so demanding sometimes dont you think?

*laughs* I think that's true of everyone, female or not. I can't do that since I have given her the combination so that if SHTF she can go grab it for defense if needed.

As for the ammo storage...I have the two magazines that came with the pistol loaded all the time, one in the gun, one next to it if needed. I also have a single box of 50 rounds in the safe as well, for backup.

The rest of the ammo is stored in the rifle safe, along with my Mosin and associated equipment/ammo for that.

[SoCalEnthusiast]

*laughs* I think that's true of everyone, female or not. I can't do that since I have given her the combination so that if SHTF she can go grab it for defense if needed.

As for the ammo storage...I have the two magazines that came with the pistol loaded all the time, one in the gun, one next to it if needed. I also have a single box of 50 rounds in the safe as well, for backup.

The rest of the ammo is stored in the rifle safe, along with my Mosin and associated equipment/ammo for that.

Change the combination. From the sound of it, she's anti-gun. And she's probably not going to go for that if SHTF.

Out've curiousity, how long would it take you to get locked, loaded and ready to rock? How many seconds? A minute or more?

[shda5582]

It's one of those gunvault safes, so about 2-3 seconds to open it, and about another 1-2 to ready it.

And no, she's far from being anti-gun, wants to get an AR since she misses her fathers' she used to shoot when she was younger once we pay off the x-mas debt.

[Coolcom]

So you keep one in the chamber with the safety on, or off?

As the other post mentioned, Sigs (the SA/DA variety) do not have a manual 'safety' (lever/switch/whatever) as are present on either SA firearms (like a 1911, all long guns) or on a Beretta/HK.

As I said, Sig's rely on other internal/passive safeties to prevent ID.

I feel it is 100% safe to leave my Sig in my nightstand with a round in the chamber and a full mag, provided that I have decocked the hammer using the dedicated lever. If I need to go for my gun, even in a half-awake state, I know I am not going to ID since the 10lb DA trigger pull is significant. I also do not need to remember to rack the slide.

In addition, I personally feel better knowing I have a long, conscious trigger pull for that first shot. As you have proposed: leaving chamber empty, and then chambering if necessary- this puts the gun in SA mode. Very light trigger pull.

Basically, as it has been hashed out here over and over, it's really all about training and personal comfort. If you personally do not feel comfortable rolling with a condition 2, then don't do it. Just make sure you are well trained and ready to lock and load if the situation arises.

Also, it should be noted, regardless of personal feelings, you should NEVER leave a DA/SA Sig condition 0 ANYWHERE other than: a) in your hands, pointing down range, firing at a target Or b) the 2 seconds before dococking it safely, using the lever, as it goes into your bedside safe.

[P5Ret]

As the other post mentioned, Sigs (the SA/DA variety) do not have a manual 'safety' (lever/switch/whatever) as are present on either SA firearms (like a 1911, all long guns) or on a Beretta/HK.

As I said, Sig's rely on other internal/passive safeties to prevent ID.

What's an ID? I've heard of ND, and AD negligent discharge,and accidental discharge (a term I don't think should exist, because more than likely someone was negligent) but never heard of it called an ID.

[SoCalEnthusiast]

As the other post mentioned, Sigs (the SA/DA variety) do not have a manual 'safety' (lever/switch/whatever) as are present on either SA firearms (like a 1911, all long guns) or on a Beretta/HK.

As I said, Sig's rely on other internal/passive safeties to prevent ID.

I feel it is 100% safe to leave my Sig in my nightstand with a round in the chamber and a full mag, provided that I have decocked the hammer using the dedicated lever. If I need to go for my gun, even in a half-awake state, I know I am not going to ID since the 10lb DA trigger pull is significant. I also do not need to remember to rack the slide.

In addition, I personally feel better knowing I have a long, conscious trigger pull for that first shot. As you have proposed: leaving chamber empty, and then chambering if necessary- this puts the gun in SA mode. Very light trigger pull.

Basically, as it has been hashed out here over and over, it's really all about training and personal comfort. If you personally do not feel comfortable rolling with a condition 2, then don't do it. Just make sure you are well trained and ready to lock and load if the situation arises.

Also, it should be noted, regardless of personal feelings, you should NEVER leave a DA/SA Sig condition 0 ANYWHERE other than: a) in your hands, pointing down range, firing at a target Or b) the 2 seconds before dococking it safely, using the lever, as it goes into your bedside safe.

Makes sense regarding the DA/SA condition 0. Just out of curiousity, when you leave the house, do you put your gun away? Or leave it in the night stand?

Also what is condition 1 exactly?

[P5Ret]

A chambered round hammer down is not condition zero.
The condition numbers don't really apply well to da/sa guns, but are more for sa guns like a 1911 or Hi-Power.
Condition 1 would be a chambered round, full mag cocked and locked.

[davidcalvin]

Another data point..

A couple of my pistols don't chamber the round correctly or eject correctly (sometimes) if the slide is not racked, initially, confidently. I learned this when I took my friend who claimed to be cool with guns was actually pretty terrified. Every time he fired it it would fail to feed or eject because his hand would tremble racking slide.

Anyway, I would think if its late at night, dark, and you are trying to be quiet that racking the slide slowly might cause a failure either to feed or eject.

So.. for me.. Round chambered, but not cocked. I don't mind the extra trigger pull the first time. And, as someone said above, having a round properly chambered ahead of time reduces the risk that it might fail to chamber when you really need it to.

$.02

David

I still find it difficult to believe that, when something goes bump in the night and you are in the middle of REM sleep, you will be aware enough to rack the slide when going for your gun. To each their own, but I believe this puts you in unnecessary danger.

I keep my Sigs in condition 2 for this reason. There is no way I'm going to ID with a 10lb trigger pull and I don't have to rack the slide. Plus I get an extra round out of the config.

[SoCalEnthusiast]

How do you really know if its properly chambered?

[sigfan91]

As the other post mentioned, Sigs (the SA/DA variety) do not have a manual 'safety' (lever/switch/whatever) as are present on either SA firearms (like a 1911, all long guns) or on a Beretta/HK.

As I said, Sig's rely on other internal/passive safeties to prevent ID.

Most Sigs don't have manual safeties (DA/SA versions). Some Sigs have manual safeties (SA versions). I have seen ONE DA/SA Sig with decocking lever AND a manual safety.

That said, I keep a Glock 36 next to my bed. It has a full mag inserted but not chambered. I feel more comfortable to perform the deliberate act of racking the slide in order to use my gun. It's just a mental safety thing, for me.

[Coolcom]

What's an ID? I've heard of ND, and AD negligent discharge,and accidental discharge (a term I don't think should exist, because more than likely someone was negligent) but never heard of it called an ID.

Sorry, mistype. Meant AD.

Makes sense regarding the DA/SA condition 0. Just out of curiousity, when you leave the house, do you put your gun away? Or leave it in the night stand?

Also what is condition 1 exactly?

Condition 1 would apply to guns with manual safeties. Condition 1 would be how you should carry/store for SD a 1911 or other SA pistol. This is: Round chambered, hammer back, safety ON. Some people might go condition 3 (as you have proposed before, no round chambered, mag full) on a 1911 or SA platform, but besides the drawbacks of remembering to rack the slide, you also lose 1 round capacity, which is an issue with single stack .45 guns.

You should NEVER roll with condition 2 on a 1911 (or SA pistol). This would be round chambered and hammer down. Since, to my knowledge, there is no firing pin safety. This means if you drop the gun and the hammer is down on a live round, you might get an AD.

[Deimos887]

@ SoCal, I think David is saying his un-gun-savy friend was riding the slide home from an overhand manipulation instead of just "rack/release"... which often keeps the chamber & slide from locking up completely as the slide needs momentum for the extractor to clear the rim of the chambered round... rather than just rest behind it.

You can pretty easily tell when a slide isnt fully in battery...

[P5Ret]

A couple of my pistols don't chamber the round correctly or eject correctly (sometimes) if the slide is not racked, initially, confidently. I learned this when I took my friend who claimed to be cool with guns was actually pretty terrified. Every time he fired it it would fail to feed or eject because his hand would tremble racking slide.

Anyway, I would think if its late at night, dark, and you are trying to be quiet that racking the slide slowly might cause a failure either to feed or eject.

David

I think those failure's may have been more operator error than a problem with the gun. If you haven't been able to replicate the failures yourself, it sound's like classic limp wristing, by a novice shooter.

Yes you can cause a failure, by riding the slide when chambering a round, but it is usually a failure to fire, since most modern well maintained pistols will not fire out of battery, and that is something you don't want to experience ever.

[SoCalEnthusiast]

Most Sigs don't have manual safeties (DA/SA versions). Some Sigs have manual safeties (SA versions). I have seen ONE DA/SA Sig with decocking lever AND a manual safety.

That said, I keep a Glock 36 next to my bed. It has a full mag inserted but not chambered. I feel more comfortable to perform the deliberate act of racking the slide in order to use my gun. It's just a mental safety thing, for me.

I kinda like your style thats usually how I keep mine. I have a full mag in the gun, safety off, i just rack the slide if I needed.

HOwever I'm considering with one in the chamber and safety on. I think that would make me well prepared.

[TNP'R]

Same all my guns have full mags in them just none chambered, i figure if someone broke in it wouldnt take much just to rack it.