Decocking..

[SoCalEnthusiast]

I guess its all about getting comfortable with how you ALWAYS know how your handgun will be, fumbling around to rack the slide, or trying to find the safety isn't a pinch you wanna be in SHTF, any way you cookie cut it.

EDIT: problem solved, rack the slide with safety on. no decocking needed unless necessary.

[Paperchasin]

How often do you rotate it?

I like the condition 1 idea with the safety on, its just an extra precaution until I'm completely ready to go condition 0? Thats the thing about glocks that I didn't like. The condition one idea once again, strikes my fancy.

I have not needed to ever go to Condition 0 (knocks on wood). I rotate my bullet after 5 rounds. But I would recommend you inspect the rounds and check the OAL with calipers.

[SoCalEnthusiast]

I have not needed to ever go to Condition 0 (knocks on wood). I rotate my bullet after 5 rounds. But I would recommend you inspect the rounds and check the OAL with calipers.

Every 5 months? OAL?

[Paperchasin]

Every 5 months? OAL?

No. After the 5th time that same bullet gets rechambered, I usually inspect it, measure OverAll Length (~1.125"). If it checks out fine, I will take it to the range and shoot it.

[whipkiller]

How often do you rotate it?

I like the condition 1 idea with the safety on, its just an extra precaution until I'm completely ready to go condition 0? Thats the thing about glocks that I didn't like. The condition one idea once again, strikes my fancy.

You have a Beretta with a safety/de-cocker, yes?

If so, you can't keep it in Condition 1. which is hammer back, safety on.

Your Beretta Safety/Decocker will not allow this.

[SoCalEnthusiast]

You have a Beretta with a safety/de-cocker, yes?

If so, you can't keep it in Condition 1. which is hammer back, safety on.

Your Beretta Safety/Decocker will not allow this.

Condition 1 is with one in the chamber, safety on, hammer laid down to rest? Until you pull off the safety and either fire from that, or cock it and then fire? Correct?

I just think its somewhat ballzy to run around with one in the chamber with the hammer back, safety obviously off. I can maybe see one in the chamber safety off and the hammer forward. Too each their own??!

[bulletblood]

My opinion is this. Something wakes you up 3am. If you are not in the right state of mind to function the simple act of racking a slide and flipping the safety off then you are not in the right state of mind to be pointing a gun at anything.

[Deimos887]

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Which is the reason for the decocker in the first place

Unsure of the model without a decocker/safety only.
Ive been thinking about getting a Beretta, probably a 96G (no safety/decocker only)... my only DA/SA pistol is a SIG, I'd pass on the safety... wouldnt use it anyway.

[Paperchasin]

Condition 1 is with one in the chamber, safety on, hammer laid down to rest? Until you pull off the safety and either fire from that, or cock it and then fire? Correct?

Incorrect. As I mentioned in a previous post, Condition 1 = round chambered, full mag inserted, hammer cocked, safety on.

[whipkiller]

I keep my USP in Condition 1, which is round chambered, full mag inserted, hammer cocked, safety on.



If you keep your firearms with a round chambered, it is a good idea to either rotate the chambered round through your magazine or to shoot that round after a few times that its been chambered. This is to prevent bullet set-back.

You have a Beretta with a safety/de-cocker, yes?

If so, you can't keep it in Condition 1. which is hammer back, safety on.

Your Beretta Safety/Decocker will not allow this.

Condition 1 is with one in the chamber, safety on, hammer laid down to rest? Until you pull off the safety and either fire from that, or cock it and then fire? Correct?

I just think its somewhat ballzy to run around with one in the chamber with the hammer back, safety obviously off. Where did you get that from?! I can maybe see one in the chamber safety off and the hammer forward. Too each their own??!

Please don't take this the wrong way, but you might want to think about reading more and typing less.

If this were a fishing forum it wouldn't be that big a deal, but since this is a gun forum it can be very dangerous or even deadly to mis-interpret something and go off half-cocked. (Pun absolutely intended)

[SoCalEnthusiast]

My opinion is this. Something wakes you up 3am. If you are not in the right state of mind to function the simple act of racking a slide and flipping the safety off then you are not in the right state of mind to be pointing a gun at anything.

So how do you leave yours?

[Coolcom]

Most DA/SA pistols, like an HK, Beretta, Sig, are designed to be carried/ready for self defense, at condition 2. This is: round in chamber, hammer NOT cocked, safety off (not applicable in this case), and loaded mag. This is perfectly "safe" granted you are following the rules for safe gun handling and storage.

A large part of the DA/SA design, at least from Sigs POV is to eliminate the need for a traditional safety. It's an extra step you have to perform. When seconds matter and adrenaline is flowing, half asleep state, etc, the idea is, you might not remember to flip the safety off. The long and heavy DA trigger pull, along with the firing pin block (prevents ID if hammer down and dropped on hammer) and decocking lever, are the safeties.

[shda5582]

I keep my USP in Condition 1, which is round chambered, full mag inserted, hammer cocked, safety on.

I disagree with this, even if the weapon is for HD. Something that I was always taught, always teach, and always hear: safeties can fail so NEVER rely upon them.

Example: you hear a noise/robber/whatever, so you grab your cocked, round in the pipe, ready-to-shoot handgun. In the excitement, or even being half asleep, you accidentally put your finger on the trigger, and in the act of pulling the gun out of whatever area you have, you pull the trigger. Safety fails at that moment, and you UD a round that goes into the next room and hits your kid. Or goes into your wife next to you. Or into you.

Yes I know it's HIGHLY unlikely something like that could/would happen, but if the chance isn't absolute zero, then the odds are that it still can happen, which is why I never store my HD with a round in the chamber. Safety on, uncocked, but all I have to do is cock and release safety, an act that takes me a second or two at the most (I practice with dummy rounds).

[SoCalEnthusiast]

I disagree with this, even if the weapon is for HD. Something that I was always taught, always teach, and always hear: safeties can fail so NEVER rely upon them.

Example: you hear a noise/robber/whatever, so you grab your cocked, round in the pipe, ready-to-shoot handgun. In the excitement, or even being half asleep, you accidentally put your finger on the trigger, and in the act of pulling the gun out of whatever area you have, you pull the trigger. Safety fails at that moment, and you UD a round that goes into the next room and hits your kid. Or goes into your wife next to you. Or into you.

Yes I know it's HIGHLY unlikely something like that could/would happen, but if the chance isn't absolute zero, then the odds are that it still can happen, which is why I never store my HD with a round in the chamber. Safety on, uncocked, but all I have to do is cock and release safety, an act that takes me a second or two at the most (I practice with dummy rounds).

So you have yours, safety on, round in chamber. You release the safety and then cock the gun? Ready to fire?

My thoughts are, I know the trigger pull is a little bit harder when its not cocked but its not that much more. Why not take the first shot with it decocked?

[shda5582]

No.

No round in chamber, fully loaded mag, safety on, and decocked hammer. My motion of when I pull it up is to release safety, cock, and I'm good to go.

The way I practice is that as I'm bringing the gun up to ready with my left hand (right-handed) I'm doing all this before I get it into grip. Slide safety off with right thumb, left hand racks slide on raise and slips around right hand.

Now, the downside: I'm now in SA (PX4 storm) so I have to be damn sure at what I'm pointing at, and remember to practice trigger discipline.