Colt vs Springfield Armory

[RealBarber]

If I were you, I'd add another layer of tinfoil to your hat.



Somehow, I was under the impression that all the final machining, hand-fitment and assembly on my Professional was completed at their Custom Shop in Illinois, but why would I believe them when I have you? Apparently, it was all done in Brazil. I must say, that was a clever and deceiving ruse on the part of Springfield.



Yep, the same narrow-minded rhetoric you post each time a question about Springfield surfaces.

If you like Springfields thats fine, you have your preferences I have mine

But them being imported isnt narrow minded rhetoric, its a fact

[DT556]

If you like Springfields thats fine, you have your preferences I have mine

But them being imported isnt narrow minded rhetoric, its a fact

Here.

Forged in an ISO90001 facility considered to be one of the best in the world, licensed by Fabrique Nationale to produce FALS and by Colt to produce 1911's.

By the way, if you drive an "American" car it only needs 70% of it's parts to be made in Canada, and the rest overseas to qualify as "American" even if not a single part was made in the USA. And we're worried about where forgings come from?

[Gem1950]

Changing the subject - Springfield Custom Carry - Long wait though.

[IPSICK]

Sigh....so now you believe everything the government says?

Springfield imports every single product they sell, their Brazilian 1911s , their Croation XDs, and their Korean M1As

You can dance around technicalities all you want...sigh

Just because the Springer 1911 starts out as a raw forging from IMBEL in Brazil, doesn't mean that you could consider it a Made in Brazil gun. At least for the TRPs and Pros, a lot of finishing and fitting occur here in the US. So much so that basically, Springfield has imported raw material. It's like saying raw iron from Brazil makes whatever the raw iron turns into here is still made in Brazil.

[CK_32]

I can add in I have talked to Springfield personally.


Not ALL 1911s are made down there. SOME are rough milled down there then sent back up here in the US to have a final fitment and assembly. Aside from the frames I'm everything else is bought or made in the US. I can't speak for what exact 1911s frames are or are not made in Imbel but all are not and the ones that are again are just rough milled then sent here for USA workers to assemble or fit. The ONLY guns assembled in Brazil or fully milled and fit down there or have 60% or more work done down there will be stamped Imbel Brazil or stamped "N". Other than that everything is made and or assembled in the US reason it is stamped "NM" or Made in the US. I was told that is no longer the case being Imbel made 1911s via Springfields were only made down there so Springfield could keep up with the panic.


Again this was per mouth of Springfield.

I'm not taking sides I'm just putting in what info I do know to help with proper information. FWIW.

Visit the Springfield section of 1911forum. There is a sticky from a mod stating just as I did that Springfields are not all made in Brazil. It is a rumor that keeps circulating with half or quarter truth.


Also by law to mark something as made in the US needs to have at minimum 51% of assembly or work done on a gun to stamp it as made in he us or what ever region marked. So that right there tells you they are not fully made in Imbel again unless marked so.

[Fishslayer]

It's a nice gun. The satin finish is beautiful and the gun was well put together. The barrel lock up and slide to frame was tight and didn't rattle much. There was some play in the trigger but broke cleanly at around 5-6lbs. I sold it because I'm not a fan of stainless steel on semi autos. If you can get it around $650 it's a great buy but if you pay over $700, I would pay a little more and get a Sig XO. .

Is there even an American made 1911 that comes standard with a Park'd finish?

What's on the Remington R1? IIRC it's some kind of paint... oops... I meant "coating." Maybe have one of those stripped & Park'd?

As for stainless, you don't like the look or the material itself? I had thought the SIGs were all SS with a coating?

[LovingTheYear1911]

Get a springfield cause they have good customer service cause youll be using it. Yall know I dont like springfields false advertising of an "American" company when their forgings and most of their products come from overseas. Get a Colt.

Do a search on calguns to see how many springers go back for warranty work.

[yankee-pete]

What am I missing with my TRP. It seems alot of calguns places it on a pedestal, don't get me wrong it's a nice production 1911 that does what it's designed to do. But really it's just a fancy loaded with aggressive front strap checking and the word tactical put on it. It is pretty much the exact same gun as my MC OP minus the obvious. I think because it's on the list and so many Californians have it, it's reputation has far exceted reality. I find it amusing when it's mentioned along side the PRO as if they are close to being equal.

Yes, the PRO is better than the TRP as it is truly custom. The TRP is considered semi-custom. Its parts are specially selected and put together by the good folks at Springfield here in the US of A.
The TRP is a great gun that is higher quality than regular production guns. Not to say that other models aren't good, but the TRP is the best of the "production" "semi-custom" or what ever you want to call it guns. Anyway, that is my opinion and I'm clearly not alone on this. If you can't afford a custom gun, this is the next best option.
And yes, they are definitely made in America.

[RealBarber]

Is there even an American made 1911 that comes standard with a Park'd finish?

The old rollmark Colt 1991's are the only ones i can think of



The current production ones are blued though

[redcliff]

Just because the Springer 1911 starts out as a raw forging from IMBEL in Brazil, doesn't mean that you could consider it a Made in Brazil gun. At least for the TRPs and Pros, a lot of finishing and fitting occur here in the US. So much so that basically, Springfield has imported raw material. It's like saying raw iron from Brazil makes whatever the raw iron turns into here is still made in Brazil.

Correct. I think perhaps some people don't know what a forging looks like and how much work it takes to turn it into a complete custom shop pistol:

[IPSICK]

Correct. I think perhaps some people don't know what a forging looks like and how much work it takes to turn it into a complete custom shop pistol:

"Looks like a ready to go Brazilian made baby killer to me", says Dianne Feinstein.

[redcliff]

"Looks like a ready to go Brazilian made baby killer to me", says Dianne Feinstein.

[RealBarber]

Looks like raw churrasco

[Press Check]

Changing the subject - Springfield Custom Carry - Long wait though.

Essentially, the Professional is in fact a Custom Carry built to the CRG's specifications, so you might consider the PC9111 instead. On the opposite end, the Custom Carry can be built to your specifications.

[jonzer77]

I had a SS Springfield 1911 in 9mm and it ran great. The thing that bugged me about it was that not all of the parts were SS. The plunger tube, barrel bushing and a few others were carbon steel that were flash chromed so I couldn't simply bead blast the whole gun. This won't be a problem for most people but it's worth noting.