Locked Container

[midlife]

How would that open the pack?
Most backpacks have two zippers coming from opposite sides, specifically so they can be locked. Moving both zippers doesn't open the compartment.

It took me all day to figure this one out...But I finally got it!

[db42]

It took me all day to figure this one out...But I finally got it!

Great, explain it to me, because I still don't get how squeezing opens the backpack.

NOTE: I'm sure there's some way to open backpacks while they have locks on them. If this is obscure and awkward, let's consider something - you can "open" a backpack with a knife. You can also "open" a padlock with a pair of bolt cutters that doesn't change its legal status as a locked container. You can steal a gun case - does that mean that the case itself wasn't secure?

[tkaraszewski]

Great, explain it to me, because I still don't get how squeezing opens the backpack.

Even with the zippers locked together, you can open them an inch or two because there is play in-between the part of the zipper that is actually locked and the part that attaches to the zipper track on the backpack. The track the zippers run along is a big upside-down "U" shape. If you squeeze the backpack such that the "U" is squished together, you can end up with a zipper track that is essentially two parallel tracks that are joined at the top. Imagine two "L"s like this: "ll" except connected by a short bit at the top. if you start with the zipper at the top, and can spread the base of the locked zippers apart by an inch, and you can push the two straight "L" parts of the zipper within an inch of one another, then you can simply slide the locked zipper down the sides of the backpack like a railroad car riding on tracks.

[baggss]

All true, but we still do not know what 'secure' is.

True. I'll stick with the locked container. I don't want to be the test case for what is or isn't secure....

[AregularGuy]

Even with the zippers locked together, you can open them an inch or two because there is play in-between the part of the zipper that is actually locked and the part that attaches to the zipper track on the backpack. The track the zippers run along is a big upside-down "U" shape. If you squeeze the backpack such that the "U" is squished together, you can end up with a zipper track that is essentially two parallel tracks that are joined at the top. Imagine two "L"s like this: "ll" except connected by a short bit at the top. if you start with the zipper at the top, and can spread the base of the locked zippers apart by an inch, and you can push the two straight "L" parts of the zipper within an inch of one another, then you can simply slide the locked zipper down the sides of the backpack like a railroad car riding on tracks.

Theoretically plausible if the bag is empty. If there's anything in it with a bit of volume then this won't work. Why make things more complicated than they have to be?

[hambam105]

Do you know what a locked container is? Do you think you could get 12 jury members to agree with your rendition of what a locked container is? Thank You.

Bailiff, send in the next case please.

[basalt]

Theoretically plausible if the bag is empty. If there's anything in it with a bit of volume then this won't work. Why make things more complicated than they have to be?

Because if a Leo can get it open they will and then you're f'd. The suggestion to protect against that was including something else to lock to as we'll.

[db42]

Even with the zippers locked together, you can open them an inch or two because there is play in-between the part of the zipper that is actually locked and the part that attaches to the zipper track on the backpack. The track the zippers run along is a big upside-down "U" shape. If you squeeze the backpack such that the "U" is squished together, you can end up with a zipper track that is essentially two parallel tracks that are joined at the top. Imagine two "L"s like this: "ll" except connected by a short bit at the top. if you start with the zipper at the top, and can spread the base of the locked zippers apart by an inch, and you can push the two straight "L" parts of the zipper within an inch of one another, then you can simply slide the locked zipper down the sides of the backpack like a railroad car riding on tracks.

That might work if the bag is both empty and really low quality. If there's any kind of padding, there's no way to compress it that much.

That said, if you're carrying anything other than a pistol (like a laptop, coat, files, or anything else you would need a backpack for) then this is all pointless.

Because if a Leo can get it open they will and then you're f'd. The suggestion to protect against that was including something else to lock to as we'll.

This is a laughable trick that no DA would bother trying to defend.
If an LEO managed to open a backpack that way, challenging the charges would end it. No DA is going to try to defend that as "not secure" when it takes so long to open it. NOTE: You also could have cut the backpack with a knife and gotten to the gun - does that make it "not secure"?

I am always amazed to see these defeatist attitudes on a pro-2A forum. "No no, don't do that thing that's totally within the confines of the law - there's an obscure and completely unrealistic method of beating that".

Just to highlight the stupidity of this:
Few would argue that a padlock on a hard case isn't a secure container.
Stick a metal bar into the shackle on the padlock and twist the bar - the leverage will break or mangle the hard case sufficiently to allow the padlock's removal and allow the case to be opened.
Of course, I could just use a box cutter and slice the case.

Do you know what a locked container is? Do you think you could get 12 jury members to agree with your rendition of what a locked container is? Thank You.

Bailiff, send in the next case please.

Exactly.
Tell a jury that a backpack isn't locked even though it has a lock on it because you can open it if you take half an hour and squeeze it this way and that way . . . they'll roll their eyes and acquit the gun owner. More importantly, the DA knows this and wouldn't bothering bringing the case to trial.

[AregularGuy]

Because if a Leo can get it open they will and then you're f'd. The suggestion to protect against that was including something else to lock to as we'll.

I have a few handgun cases that are made of thin plastic with one hole in the center for a lock. You could easily fight with a corner of it, pry it open some, and finger the gun out. Just like your zipper example. Is it not a locked container? Either way the subject is moot and has been beaten to oblivion on the threads. The OP is transporting ammo. It could be in a brown paper bag with a paper clip on it, locked container doesn't apply.