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  • midlife
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2013
    • 711

    Locked Container

    What is a locked container for purposes of the concealed weapons laws?

    Does it need to be hard case? Or is soft case ok?

    Like locked backpack.
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    K80 Trap Special
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    db42
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2011
    • 1574

    Hashed out a billion times now.

    A locked case is any container that prevents access to the weapon and requires a key or combination to open.

    A backpack with two zippers and a small padlock would indeed be considered a locked case - so long as you don't open the backpack for any reason.
    I use to be an anarchist but I quit that; there's too many rules.

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    • #3
      stix213
      AKA: Joe Censored
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Apr 2009
      • 18998

      The PC refers to the case as needing to be "secure" but makes no mention on what that means.

      Note that when using a backpack you should avoid just locking the two zippers together, as with most packs you can squeeze the top of the pack together and slide the zippers down without unlocking the lock. Using a 3rd point when locking, such as to the top carry handle, usually prevents that problem.

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      • #4
        midlife
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2013
        • 711

        Thanks. I don't have a handgun, but someone told me it's a good idea to keep ammo in a locked container too. And I wasn't sure what that meant.

        I know it's not required for ammo, but a lawyer told me some cops don't know the law.
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        K80 Trap Special

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        • #5
          stix213
          AKA: Joe Censored
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Apr 2009
          • 18998

          Originally posted by midlife
          I know it's not required for ammo, but a lawyer told me some cops don't know the law.
          Correct on both counts

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          • #6
            midlife
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2013
            • 711

            Originally posted by stix213
            Correct on both counts
            I was just thinking of putting my shotgun ammo (for trap) in a duffel bag, and locking the zippers together with a TSA lock. Is that enough?
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            K80 Trap Special

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            • #7
              glockman19
              Banned
              • Jun 2007
              • 10486

              I use an Allen looking zipper soft cases.

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              • #8
                DFence
                • Feb 2012
                • 1368

                Its not paranoid.....its prepared.

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                • #9
                  Librarian
                  Admin and Poltergeist
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 44641

                  Originally posted by midlife
                  I was just thinking of putting my shotgun ammo (for trap) in a duffel bag, and locking the zippers together with a TSA lock. Is that enough?
                  No ammunition need be locked up - handguns and 'registered assault weapons' only.

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                  • #10
                    stix213
                    AKA: Joe Censored
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 18998

                    Originally posted by midlife
                    I was just thinking of putting my shotgun ammo (for trap) in a duffel bag, and locking the zippers together with a TSA lock. Is that enough?
                    They don't need to be locked up at all, so if you're wondering what is good enough for a LEO who doesn't actually know the law..... well it depends on what misconception of they law that officer has as to what he/she will incorrectly think is the law.

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                    • #11
                      baggss
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Mar 2013
                      • 3439

                      Originally posted by stix213
                      The PC refers to the case as needing to be "secure" but makes no mention on what that means.
                      .
                      Correct, but:

                      As used in Sections 17740, 23925, 25105, 25205, and 25610,
                      and in Article 3 (commencing with Section 25505) of Chapter 2
                      of Division 5 of Title 4, "locked container" means
                      a secure container
                      that is fully enclosed and
                      locked by a padlock, keylock, combination lock, or similar
                      locking device.

                      The term "locked container" does not include the utility or
                      glove compartment of a motor vehicle.
                      25610. (a) A citizen of the United States over the age of 18 years
                      who resides or is temporarily within this state, and who is
                      not prohibited by state or federal law from possessing,
                      receiving, owning, or purchasing a firearm, from transporting
                      or carrying any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of
                      being concealed upon the person, provided that the following
                      applies to the firearm:
                      (1) The firearm is within a motor vehicle and it is locked
                      in the vehicle's trunk or in a locked container in the vehicle.
                      (2) The firearm is carried by the person directly to or from
                      any motor vehicle for any lawful purpose and, while carrying
                      the firearm, the firearm is contained within a locked
                      container.
                      (b) The provisions of this section do not prohibit or limit
                      the otherwise lawful carrying or transportation of any pistol,
                      revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the
                      person in accordance with the provisions listed in Section
                      16580.
                      That's for carrying in vehicle. Outside of a vehicle:

                      25505 In order for a firearm to be exempted under this article,
                      while being transported to or from a place, the firearm shall
                      be unloaded and kept in a locked container, and the course of
                      travel shall include only those deviations between authorized
                      locations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances.
                      Last edited by baggss; 10-08-2013, 4:30 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Librarian
                        Admin and Poltergeist
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 44641

                        Originally posted by stix213
                        The PC refers to the case as needing to be "secure" but makes no mention on what that means.
                        .
                        Correct, but:

                        As used in Sections 17740, 23925, 25105, 25205, and 25610,
                        and in Article 3 (commencing with Section 25505) of Chapter 2
                        of Division 5 of Title 4, "locked container" means
                        a secure container
                        that is fully enclosed and
                        locked by a padlock, keylock, combination lock, or similar
                        locking device.

                        The term "locked container" does not include the utility or
                        glove compartment of a motor vehicle.
                        25610. (a) A citizen of the United States over the age of 18 years
                        who resides or is temporarily within this state, and who is
                        not prohibited by state or federal law from possessing,
                        receiving, owning, or purchasing a firearm, from transporting
                        or carrying any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of
                        being concealed upon the person, provided that the following
                        applies to the firearm:
                        (1) The firearm is within a motor vehicle and it is locked
                        in the vehicle's trunk or in a locked container in the vehicle.
                        (2) The firearm is carried by the person directly to or from
                        any motor vehicle for any lawful purpose and, while carrying
                        the firearm, the firearm is contained within a locked
                        container.
                        (b) The provisions of this section do not prohibit or limit
                        the otherwise lawful carrying or transportation of any pistol,
                        revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the
                        person in accordance with the provisions listed in Section
                        16580.
                        That's for carrying in vehicle. Outside of a vehicle:

                        25505 In order for a firearm to be exempted under this article,
                        while being transported to or from a place, the firearm shall
                        be unloaded and kept in a locked container, and the course of
                        travel shall include only those deviations between authorized
                        locations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances.
                        All true, but we still do not know what 'secure' is.

                        For a tongue-in-cheek suggestion see http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...3&postcount=22
                        ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page

                        Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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                        • #13
                          db42
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2011
                          • 1574

                          Originally posted by stix213
                          The PC refers to the case as needing to be "secure" but makes no mention on what that means.

                          Note that when using a backpack you should avoid just locking the two zippers together, as with most packs you can squeeze the top of the pack together and slide the zippers down without unlocking the lock. Using a 3rd point when locking, such as to the top carry handle, usually prevents that problem.
                          How would that open the pack?
                          Most backpacks have two zippers coming from opposite sides, specifically so they can be locked. Moving both zippers doesn't open the compartment.
                          I use to be an anarchist but I quit that; there's too many rules.

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                          • #14
                            disabledprepper87
                            Junior Member
                            • Jul 2013
                            • 80

                            Originally posted by midlife
                            What is a locked container for purposes of the concealed weapons laws?

                            Does it need to be hard case? Or is soft case ok?

                            Like locked backpack.
                            In a motor vehicle is there a different standard for a CCW holder when the licensed person must leave the firearm in the car? Can it be any container, or does it have to be a DOJ approved one?

                            I know it needs to be cabled, but is there a higher standard for CCW holders than the average citizen?
                            sigpicHow I feel when I listen to the legislature/read the gun laws.

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                            • #15
                              teg33
                              Veteran Member
                              • May 2013
                              • 3441

                              Originally posted by disabledprepper87
                              In a motor vehicle is there a different standard for a CCW holder when the licensed person must leave the firearm in the car? Can it be any container, or does it have to be a DOJ approved one?

                              I know it needs to be cabled, but is there a higher standard for CCW holders than the average citizen?
                              Any container that can be locked. It can be placed anywhere within vehicle, it doesn't need to be cabled. The purpose of cable is that the container can be somewhat securely to vehicle in the event if someone try to steal it from vehicle

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