Locked Container

[midlife]

What is a locked container for purposes of the concealed weapons laws?

Does it need to be hard case? Or is soft case ok?

Like locked backpack.

[db42]

Hashed out a billion times now.

A locked case is any container that prevents access to the weapon and requires a key or combination to open.

A backpack with two zippers and a small padlock would indeed be considered a locked case - so long as you don't open the backpack for any reason.

[stix213]

The PC refers to the case as needing to be "secure" but makes no mention on what that means.

Note that when using a backpack you should avoid just locking the two zippers together, as with most packs you can squeeze the top of the pack together and slide the zippers down without unlocking the lock. Using a 3rd point when locking, such as to the top carry handle, usually prevents that problem.

[midlife]

Thanks. I don't have a handgun, but someone told me it's a good idea to keep ammo in a locked container too. And I wasn't sure what that meant.

I know it's not required for ammo, but a lawyer told me some cops don't know the law.

[stix213]

I know it's not required for ammo, but a lawyer told me some cops don't know the law.

Correct on both counts

[midlife]

Correct on both counts

I was just thinking of putting my shotgun ammo (for trap) in a duffel bag, and locking the zippers together with a TSA lock. Is that enough?

[glockman19]

I use an Allen looking zipper soft cases.

[DFence]

[Librarian]

I was just thinking of putting my shotgun ammo (for trap) in a duffel bag, and locking the zippers together with a TSA lock. Is that enough?

No ammunition need be locked up - handguns and 'registered assault weapons' only.

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Transporting

[stix213]

I was just thinking of putting my shotgun ammo (for trap) in a duffel bag, and locking the zippers together with a TSA lock. Is that enough?

They don't need to be locked up at all, so if you're wondering what is good enough for a LEO who doesn't actually know the law..... well it depends on what misconception of they law that officer has as to what he/she will incorrectly think is the law.

[baggss]

The PC refers to the case as needing to be "secure" but makes no mention on what that means.
.

Correct, but:

As used in Sections 17740, 23925, 25105, 25205, and 25610,
and in Article 3 (commencing with Section 25505) of Chapter 2
of Division 5 of Title 4, "locked container" means
a secure container
that is fully enclosed and
locked by a padlock, keylock, combination lock, or similar
locking device.

The term "locked container" does not include the utility or
glove compartment of a motor vehicle.

25610. (a) A citizen of the United States over the age of 18 years
who resides or is temporarily within this state, and who is
not prohibited by state or federal law from possessing,
receiving, owning, or purchasing a firearm, from transporting
or carrying any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of
being concealed upon the person, provided that the following
applies to the firearm:
(1) The firearm is within a motor vehicle and it is locked
in the vehicle's trunk or in a locked container in the vehicle.
(2) The firearm is carried by the person directly to or from
any motor vehicle for any lawful purpose and, while carrying
the firearm, the firearm is contained within a locked
container.
(b) The provisions of this section do not prohibit or limit
the otherwise lawful carrying or transportation of any pistol,
revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the
person in accordance with the provisions listed in Section
16580.

That's for carrying in vehicle. Outside of a vehicle:

25505 In order for a firearm to be exempted under this article,
while being transported to or from a place, the firearm shall
be unloaded and kept in a locked container, and the course of
travel shall include only those deviations between authorized
locations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances.

[Librarian]

The PC refers to the case as needing to be "secure" but makes no mention on what that means.
.

Correct, but:

As used in Sections 17740, 23925, 25105, 25205, and 25610,
and in Article 3 (commencing with Section 25505) of Chapter 2
of Division 5 of Title 4, "locked container" means
a secure container
that is fully enclosed and
locked by a padlock, keylock, combination lock, or similar
locking device.

The term "locked container" does not include the utility or
glove compartment of a motor vehicle.

25610. (a) A citizen of the United States over the age of 18 years
who resides or is temporarily within this state, and who is
not prohibited by state or federal law from possessing,
receiving, owning, or purchasing a firearm, from transporting
or carrying any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of
being concealed upon the person, provided that the following
applies to the firearm:
(1) The firearm is within a motor vehicle and it is locked
in the vehicle's trunk or in a locked container in the vehicle.
(2) The firearm is carried by the person directly to or from
any motor vehicle for any lawful purpose and, while carrying
the firearm, the firearm is contained within a locked
container.
(b) The provisions of this section do not prohibit or limit
the otherwise lawful carrying or transportation of any pistol,
revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the
person in accordance with the provisions listed in Section
16580.

That's for carrying in vehicle. Outside of a vehicle:

25505 In order for a firearm to be exempted under this article,
while being transported to or from a place, the firearm shall
be unloaded and kept in a locked container, and the course of
travel shall include only those deviations between authorized
locations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances.

All true, but we still do not know what 'secure' is.

For a tongue-in-cheek suggestion see http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...3&postcount=22

[db42]

The PC refers to the case as needing to be "secure" but makes no mention on what that means.

Note that when using a backpack you should avoid just locking the two zippers together, as with most packs you can squeeze the top of the pack together and slide the zippers down without unlocking the lock. Using a 3rd point when locking, such as to the top carry handle, usually prevents that problem.

How would that open the pack?
Most backpacks have two zippers coming from opposite sides, specifically so they can be locked. Moving both zippers doesn't open the compartment.

[disabledprepper87]

What is a locked container for purposes of the concealed weapons laws?

Does it need to be hard case? Or is soft case ok?

Like locked backpack.

In a motor vehicle is there a different standard for a CCW holder when the licensed person must leave the firearm in the car? Can it be any container, or does it have to be a DOJ approved one?

I know it needs to be cabled, but is there a higher standard for CCW holders than the average citizen?

[teg33]

In a motor vehicle is there a different standard for a CCW holder when the licensed person must leave the firearm in the car? Can it be any container, or does it have to be a DOJ approved one?

I know it needs to be cabled, but is there a higher standard for CCW holders than the average citizen?

Any container that can be locked. It can be placed anywhere within vehicle, it doesn't need to be cabled. The purpose of cable is that the container can be somewhat securely to vehicle in the event if someone try to steal it from vehicle