DA/SA 9mm with nice trigger?

[Buck13]

Are you looking for a dedicated target ($$$) gun

By "accurate" I mean "keeps [almost] all the shots in the black at 25 yards on a 25/50 meter target." I can do that with my .22s, and I suck. So, a decent shooter should be able to do it with a decent 9mm

I was reading a forum last night and some guy said his Glock shoots 4 inch groups at 7 yards. Yuck. I'll assume that was a really short barreled Glock.

[ArchStanton]

Sig P6/225?

http://centerfiresystems.com/SIG-225.aspx

I heard Turners had some awhile back.

[tacticalcity]

Title is a contradiction in terms.

I'm not a DA/SA fan. Much prefer the SOA like the 1911 and Hi-Power or Striker Fired guns like the Glock, M&P, etc.

Some people love the DA/SA and swear by them. So I would look at which DA/SA guns are the most popular amongst shooters who have a choice. As in what has the biggest and most loyal following.

Ask a Sig fan and he'll say everything else sucks...and about 4 million of his buddies will chime in after him in agreement. They are as fanatically as Glock and 1911 fans. So if you are a fan of the DA/SA I would start looking there. They seem very, very happy with them.

Next fanatical of the DA/SA fans would probably be the CZs. So maybe look there next.

Usually when departments that previously issued the Beretta open up and give their officers a choice, many if not most jump ship and choose something else. There is a dedicated following, but nothing like that of the Sig or CZ. As somebody who was issued a Beretta and even owned one, I was far from impressed.

HK definately has a following, but it small by comparison...and as somebody who has owned one I have mixed feelings. The USP I owned had the worst finish quality of any gun I have ever owned, and considering what I paid for it I was pretty disappointed. It also had the worst magazine release design I've ever seen in a gun.

There are lots of other choices out there. None as well loved as Sig or CZ.

Product and brand loyalty is usually a pretty good indicator of a good product. I'm not saying to just do what others do without confirming you agree with their conclusions first. If at all possible you want some serious trigger time on them all before making a choice. But with that many fans, there is definately something worth liking there...even if I don't see it...maybe you will.

[Iknownot]

OP specifically said no SAO. Although that's kind of puzzling since he said it's the SA pull he's concerned about...About the best SA trigger you can find is a 1911. But the CZ 75 is a close second IMHO (maybe third after BHO)

Yes, I know. that's why I added the high power or 9mm 1911 in parenthesis just in case.

If the OP really just wants it as a range gun, then I don't really see where the mechanics of the saftey of the particular gun matters much. It's just for fun. And if that's the case, I'd go for best trigger out of the box (since that's what he seems to be more focused on in consideration) from the start.

So I'd go with a high power or 9mm 1911.

But that's just me.

The Sigs and CZs are great all around choices too. I don't think he'd go wrong with any thing named so far in this thread, as a range gun, so long as he finds the one he likes the best.

Which brings up my other point for my OP. Borrow, try, rent, all the various different guns first and decide which to buy after you have a good idea how they all feel for you and how well you shoot them.

[jrara]

Can I throw in the P99 with Anti Stress trigger??

[Sturnovik]

Sig p226/229, beretta 92/M9, or a CZ75. Those are pretty much as good as it gets for a DA/SA.

[zfields]

I love my CZ's, but in stock form not something I would call "the best" DA trigger pull.

[Iknownot]

I love my CZ's, but in stock form not something I would call "the best" DA trigger pull.

The OP doesn't care about the DA pull. Just SA.

[tacticalcity]

The OP doesn't care about the DA pull. Just SA.

Can you hear us all grumbling about that fact from here? I don't get that? He specifically wants a DA/SA, but only plans on using the SA pull, but doesn't want an SOA designed to be used that way?

From the outside looking in it makes ZERO sense. I figure ok, it's his gun so roll with it. But I definately don't get it.

[zfields]

The OP doesn't care about the DA pull. Just SA.

Same with the SA pull. The CZ hammer cams back before the break.


And I'm baffled why you ONLY want a DA/SA gun, but only care about the SA trigger...

[IPSICK]

CZ75 SP-01. SiGs don't seem to be as nice as they used to be.

[tacticalcity]

Nothing wrong with wanting a DA/SA gun...but his comment about not carring about the DA pull raises more questions than it answers. On its face, it is contradicts the basic premise of wanting a DA/SA gun in the first place. It especially contradicts his statement that he does not want an SOA gun.

Maybe he doesn't understand what SOA means? It is a common mistake for a lot of guys to think Glocks, XDs, M&Ps etc. are SOA. Partially because many of the big name retailers call them that in their catalogs even though they know better. They don't understand that those striker fired guns have their own classification and they are NOT actually SOA. So they think it means a medium weight pull, and don't know it really means a very light and beautiful pull that is always the same.

Based on what he is saying what he really wants is an SOA gun like a 1911. It is a gun with a fabulous SA pull and does not have the DA pull he will either never use or would almost always skip. Maybe he hasn't had trigger time on a 1911 so he doesn't realize it?

Maybe he is inexperienced and wants the DA pull for safety reasons only? Doesn't know that it really doesn't work that way. That the safety of the DA pull is more illusion than reality and that if he is not safe without that DA pull then his not safe with it either. In otherwords, (and I say this to the world not just the OP as I am not picking on him or singling him) obey the damn safety rules and keep your finger off the trigger and outside of the trigger well until you are ready to fire. Your brain and your finger are the final safety on your gun...use them people. (OK, safety rant over).

All I know is it doesn't make a lot of sense with the info we have.

[Iknownot]

Can you hear us all grumbling about that fact from here? I don't get that? He specifically wants a DA/SA, but only plans on using the SA pull, but doesn't want an SOA designed to be used that way?

From the outside looking in it makes ZERO sense. I figure ok, it's his gun so roll with it. But I definately don't get it.

Yeah, I'm not sure I get it, especially since it's a range gun, so IMO, anything goes, since it is for fun (or at least that's how I'd look at it).

But it's his decision, which is why I suggested the Sig. It'd be good on the SA side of things out of the box with little reason to fiddle (unless he wanted the short trigger kit).

To each his own, I suppose.

[paintballdad]

OP, if you're local in Socal (SGV/IE area) i'm willing to let you try out my "D" springed 92FS and 3 Sig 9mm pistols (P226, P228, P225). You can compare the DA/SA trigger pulls and decide for yourself. I'm a big Sig fan but their triggers doesn't compare to my "D" springed 92FS. And it didn't matter where and when the Sigs were made, the 92FS has a much nicer trigger. (2 of my Sigs are from the early '90s and 2 are recent production from 2008 & 2010).

[Buck13]

Most of my pistol shooting is with DA revolvers. I almost always shoot them SA, but I like to know the DA is there. I'd like an auto that operates as close to the revolvers as possible, just to keep my habits consistent (overlooking decocking levers, which I consider secondary, and slide and mag releases, with which I am already fairly comfortable.)

I'm not completely devoted to this position, but as a friend used to say in his .sig file, "make a firm decision now, you can always change it later."