Sig p226 MK25 Navy Seals: First Impression!

[Striker]

phosphate finish applied to all internal components


YO DUDE! My first Sig! I mean LOVE at first sight! Where do I sign up ???!!!

Just got it in my hot little hands! Build Date = March 20, 2012.
Let me strip it down for it's initial cleaning!

Uh... What is this ???? Is this the special phosphate finish?

Uh... No it's RUST!

Sorry about your gun. Call Sig if you haven't done so already. I'm sure they'll take care of it.

Sig's bottom of the barrel yet they keep winning contracts and still service 1/3 of LEO's? Give me a break........

Their returns are below or at the same as every other manufacturer (below 1% and thats validated through me and a buddy who called and talked to them regarding a new P239 question)

What would you expect them to say. I'm not saying their rate of return is higher, but if it is; what possible reason would they have for disclosing that information to you? They have nothing to gain from telling you. And that's not really validation. Validation would be if someone independent of the company got to look over their records and, provided the records were true, actually calculated their rate of return. IE, an independent disinterested third party verification. That would be validation.

[straykiller]

I've yet to see rust on a GLOCK..

here you go. i found this pic on the interwebs

[locosway]

here you go. i found this pic on the interwebs

Yeah, I have seen a couple of these torture tested Glocks that were buried for extended periods of time, etc. I've also seen them wipe off the surface rust without any issues too.

I've still never seen rust on a Glock that wasn't "torture tested" like these.

[straykiller]

Yeah, I have seen a couple of these torture tested Glocks that were buried for extended periods of time, etc. I've also seen them wipe off the surface rust without any issues too.

I've still never seen rust on a Glock that wasn't "torture tested" like these.

non torture tested Glock pic i found, it doesnt matter what gun it is if you dont take care of it, it will eventually rust.

http://thefixitshop.blogspot.com/2007/04/glock-story-or-saga-of-rusted-glock.html

[locosway]

non torture tested Glock pic i found, it doesnt matter what gun it is if you dont take care of it, it will eventually rust.

http://thefixitshop.blogspot.com/2007/04/glock-story-or-saga-of-rusted-glock.html

True! It's just some guns are more "protected" than others from the factory. I had a Winchester start to rust up on me, and none of my other guns did. No idea why.

[Lu(ky]

[QUOTE=nikki#2;8359766]phosphate finish applied to all internal components

YO DUDE! My first Sig! I mean LOVE at first sight! Where do I sign up ???!!!

Just got it in my hot little hands! Build Date = March 20, 2012.
Let me strip it down for it's initial cleaning!

Uh... What is this ???? Is this the special phosphate finish?

Uh... No it's RUST!



I would also take apart the MAGAZINES to make sure the springs are not rusted as well. I think SIG packs there guns in way way to much OIL. Like I said in my first post when the vendor took out the magazine OIL started to drip out like crazy. I am just surprised from the Build Date = March 20, 2012 to now this happen.
Also don't get twisted in the USA vs GERMAN Sig stuff not worth it.. I am waiting for two Sigs now the P220 Combat in JAIL NOW as well as a P226 which I paid for today. So I am back logged month in a half as of now..

[Plisk]

If the OP were closer, I would replace the mainspring free of charge.

Guys, the springs on these weapons aren't phosphate coated like the internal parts. Those are parts like trigger bar, sear, safety bar, decocking lever, decocker strut, etc. It seems like a batch issue with the spring steel they used that day. Or possible that box of springs was exposed to excessive moisture which developed post assembly. It could be any number of reasons. Rust can develop quickly, I highly doubt the weapon was assembled with any visible oxidation on the springs. It could have easily developed during it's transit time to the OP.

People will always argue and debate over New vs. Old Sig, but none of that really helps the issue that he simply needs a new spring, which is extremely simple to do. Good luck with Sig, if you explain to them what happened and play the disappointed customer (not A-Hole disappointed customer) you may be able to get something extra from them.

[hyperion.excal]

Ask them for free AEP the worse they can say is no Call Andy

[huntndog]

Perhaps what concerns me more is the Build Date = 18 days ago.

Obviously.... the ONLY thing that happened 18 days ago was a Quality Control Mgr slapped a sticker on the case
before taking a smoke break...

The 'NEW' MK25 is simply a Marketing Campaign to sell more guns. The gun is no different (visibly) than any other non-German p226.
You can't tell if a special phosphate finish was applied to all internal components or not.

The only SURE THING is that the gun has been sitting in a 'non-climate controlled' warehouse for a LONG, LONG.... LONG time!

The "New" MK25??? My ***! You mean "New" Marketing Campaign dreamed up by the 'pretty people' in the marketing dept.

[Ionmass]

Hard to believe....

Wow, burst my bubble. I've been looking forward to getting one of these
9 mm. This is a total surprise.

[Sturnovik]

What would you expect them to say. I'm not saying their rate of return is higher, but if it is; what possible reason would they have for disclosing that information to you? They have nothing to gain from telling you. And that's not really validation. Validation would be if someone independent of the company got to look over their records and, provided the records were true, actually calculated their rate of return. IE, an independent disinterested third party verification. That would be validation.[/QUOTE]

Your right, they could have said they see 1-20 out of a batch of 30,000 and no more since there so "good". I am a Sig armorer (although I have to be re-certified soon), I have friends that work there and my friend is still an LEO, and both of us talked to separate people. I didnt even bring it up. I had mentioned some people got a bad batch of Sig Pro's around here a year or two ago and he simply said "yea.....there were a few that had extractor issues but we've ironed them out, it did put us over our 1% return rate for a few months but we've fixed that up". I have no reason to lie and neither did they. If were I'm sure they would have made it sound even better. Either way I'm not trying to convince you, if your afraid of a lemon, then you have your own reason for not buying a SIG.

The only issue I'm having with Sig is that some people are having issues with the checkmates that there shipping with. No clue why they switched, they were more expensive, you still only get one, and the finish is inferior to the mecgars. I never had issues when I used one though. Sig SHOULD give you 2-3 mags (atleast 2) for what you pay and they should be Mecgars. But thats me. Luckily enough I have lots of Sig factory and mecgars.

Just like my friend who got a severely screwed over HK, make a racket OP and they'll fix the problem and maybe even give you a few free mags.

[nikki#2]

Obviously.... the ONLY thing that happened 18 days ago was a Quality Control Mgr slapped a sticker on the case
before taking a smoke break...

The 'NEW' MK25 is simply a Marketing Campaign to sell more guns. The gun is no different (visibly) than any other non-German p226.
You can't tell if a special phosphate finish was applied to all internal components or not.

The only SURE THING is that the gun has been sitting in a 'non-climate controlled' warehouse for a LONG, LONG.... LONG time!

The "New" MK25??? My ***! You mean "New" Marketing Campaign dreamed up by the 'pretty people' in the marketing dept.

Well... I'll have to agree on what actually occurred 18 days ago.
Plus I can not visibly distinguish IF the internal components are actually coated with anything.
At least on my gun, one would never know if SIG didn't claim so in their marketing blurb...

Now I'm disappointed that my gun does not match this marketing picture!

[Irish Gunner]

Posts like this are exactly why I don't see paying the extra $300+ for a Sig as a good value. I have been debating Sig vs S&W, both feel good in my hand and shoot well. S&W it will be.

[ap3572001]

Speaking of SIG P226 only , I can say that later "made in West Germany Guns "(Early 80's -1990) and all "Made in Germany guns " seem to be the very best.

[Eddy's Shooting Sports]

I am always amazed by threads like this where a gun company's entire reputation is slammed by a few a armchair cowboys *****ing about some surface rust on a spring.

There was an early response that explained the likely cause of this. Someone probably missed a step in the finishing process of the mainsprings. They were probably sent to assembly where the technician probably did not see any issue because none were rusty yet. I'm guessing no more than a few dozen guns could have been assembled and shipped before the springs in the parts bin started showing rust.

The funny thing is, if the grips weren't removed, the "problem" would have gone unnoticed and the gun would probably work fine for a lifetime. To make blanket statements about Sig Sauer quality based on such isolated incidents just shows how many folks are short sighted and ignorant to the realities of high volume manufacturing. Sig Sauer handguns are by far in the top tier of quality, reliability, fit and finish of any brand I have sold. Ask any dealer this. Not the counter jockeys, the owners. The ones that have sold thousands of guns. I have sold thousands of guns in my gun career. Several hundred of them Sig Sauers in all flavors. Although their guns have changed and I do like the older lighter stamped slides, their quality is as good as ever. When I sell a Sig Sauer, I do it knowing that chances are 99.999% that I will never see that gun again, because it will likely never have a problem. Same goes for most brands.

I guess my point here is don't get so worked up over a tiny issue. Sig Sauer will make it right. And Sig Sauer will remain one of the highest quality, best selling brands on the market.

Cheers!


Greg David
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