hypothetical question non roster

[VTX]

I'm having a hard time understanding why you and the seller couldn't have figured out a way to PPT in-person. You are in the same state - not different planets...

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an 8 hour drive each might have been out of the question. Pay 300 in gas, hotel ect.

[Cokebottle]

would imply you bought something off roster through a PPT, gunbroker. Thats a loophole so to speak.

Gunbroker is not PPT and not a roster exemption (please don't use the term "loophole") unless both the buyer and seller are present at the transferring FFL at the same time and both the buyer and seller are California residents.

If the gun was shipped to the buyer's FFL, it is not a PPT whether he bought it from Gunbroker or Davidson's or Craig'sList.
It must be either single shot/single action dimensionally compliant exempt or it must be on the roster.

[Cokebottle]

A handgun that is already owned by a California resident may be transferred to another California resident via PPT

Only if the buyer and seller are present at the same time to initiate the transfer.

I cannot ship a gun to a buyer in San Diego and have it treated as a PPT... that is still an FFL transfer. No $35 limit, no roster exemption.

[zfields]

Only if the buyer and seller are present at the same time to initiate the transfer.

I cannot ship a gun to a buyer in San Diego and have it treated as a PPT... that is still an FFL transfer. No $35 limit, no roster exemption.

Not 100% true, split ppt's are possible, just rare to find ffls willing to do it.

sent from my damn phone.

[ap3572001]

I might be a little of the subject here....

Is it true that any handgun ( not an AW) can be PPT'd between two Ca residents that can own firearms?

Regardless of the handguns origin? True of false?

[VTX]

yes they can, as long as the firearm is legal(doesn't have to be on the roster) and both parties are FTF and both live in calif

Whats a Split FTF???? and how is it done??

[Sturnovik]

Gunbroker is not PPT and not a roster exemption (please don't use the term "loophole") unless both the buyer and seller are present at the transferring FFL at the same time and both the buyer and seller are California residents.

If the gun was shipped to the buyer's FFL, it is not a PPT whether he bought it from Gunbroker or Davidson's or Craig'sList.
It must be either single shot/single action dimensionally compliant exempt or it must be on the roster.

I wasnt trying to imply Gunbroker itself was a loophole to get off roster guns, but merely a place to find them, and assuming they had an FFL wiling to do the transfer. Unless I was mistaken on that. Either way, I'm assuming OP's situation was resolved?

[zfields]

I wasnt trying to imply Gunbroker itself was a loophole to get off roster guns, but merely a place to find them, and assuming they had an FFL wiling to do the transfer. Unless I was mistaken on that. Either way, I'm assuming OP's situation was resolved?

they still have to be single shot exempted, or sold to a roster exempt person. PPT exemption is only between CA residents.

[Sturnovik]

Not 100% true, split ppt's are possible, just rare to find ffls willing to do it.

sent from my damn phone.

Oh cool. . At least there are some possibilities.

[ap3572001]

yes they can, as long as the firearms in legal(doesn't have to be on the roster)

Firearm legal , mean legal to own? Right? (Not AW, etc)

Here is what I am getting to.
When You want to sell Your used car , it has to be transfered from You to the new owner.

Your friend form work can't just pick up Your car from Your place and go sell to someone.

The whole thing about REGISTRATION is little weird , because anyone can PPT anyones pistol to anyone. ( As long as they all can have guns, gun is not stolen/wanted and they do it via FFL).

Am I making any sense?

[Sturnovik]

they still have to be single shot exempted, or sold to a roster exempt person. PPT exemption is only between CA residents.

Aye thanks for the clarification. I yearn for the day I move outta here and dont have the list haha. .

[keenkeen]

Only if the buyer and seller are present at the same time to initiate the transfer.

I cannot ship a gun to a buyer in San Diego and have it treated as a PPT... that is still an FFL transfer. No $35 limit, no roster exemption.

Yeah, I know what a PPT is and how its defined...good explaination for those who don't however.

Split PPT are not common these days for sure...

[zfields]

Aye thanks for the clarification. I yearn for the day I move outta here and dont have the list haha. .

Hah, I havnet bought a handgun since I moved. It was nice to pick up a warranty exchanged pistol with no wait, and a 10/22 cash and carry.

[billybob_jcv]

Firearm legal , mean legal to own? Right? (Not AW, etc)

Here is what I am getting to.
When You want to sell Your used car , it has to be transfered from You to the new owner.

Your friend form work can't just pick up Your car from Your place and go sell to someone.

The whole thing about REGISTRATION is little weird , because anyone can PPT anyones pistol to anyone. ( As long as they all can have guns, gun is not stolen/wanted and they do it via FFL).

Am I making any sense?

In this context, "PPT" means *two* California residents that are standing face-to-face in front of an FFL in California.

A "split-PPT" is where the buyer and seller both visited the same FFL, just not at the same time. The seller could drop the gun with the FFL, then the buyer could come later and do his part of the transaction. The buyer and seller never met face-to-face. This method seems to have pretty much disappeared - at least at the FFLs I know.

[moooboy]

So if the gun was shipped to someones dealer, was deemed of roster and was an honest mistake, the only options are???
Sell the gun to LE?
or
Sell the gun to an out of state buyer?


Has the DOJ ever given a variance for a case like this? It has to have came up before