hypothetical question non roster

[moooboy]

I have a question of a hypothetical handgun transfer
If you ordered a handgun off GB or other source from a calif private seller, It arrives at your ffl dealer and it turns out to be non roster but not illegal. Whats happens? Can you still dros it? what do you do if its already paid for? do you have to send it back even if you cant? would you have to sell it out of state?
Just trying to understand calif policies
thanks

[Sturnovik]

I have a question of a hypothetical handgun transfer
If you ordered a handgun off GB or other source from a calif private seller, It arrives at your ffl dealer and it turns out to be non roster but not illegal. Whats happens? Can you still dros it? what do you do if its already paid for? do you have to send it back even if you cant? would you have to sell it out of state?
Just trying to understand calif policies
thanks

The only ways around the list is, SSE (single shot exemption), LEO amongst other things, and PPT. What your saying would imply you bought something off roster through a PPT, gunbroker. Thats a loophole so to speak. Unless your FFL isnt taking it because its out of state or something.

[ap3572001]

Its an interesting one......

Your FFL dealer brings it from out of state for You and its not on the roster.

I can see it happening.

From what I understand ( I might be wrong) a handgun that is already in the state can be transfered from one private party to another anytime.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

[zfields]

Its an interesting one......

Your FFL dealer brings it from out of state for You and its not on the roster.

I can see it happening.

From what I understand ( I might be wrong) a handgun that is already in the state can be transfered from one private party to another anytime.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

The transfer isn't complete. It has to be either sent back or sold to an exempt person from how it has been explained to be by an FFL.

[Librarian]

A handgun that is already owned by a California resident may be transferred to another California resident.

In the case offered, the CA FFL could not transfer an off Roster handgun to a non-Roster-exempt person.

He'd send it back, or if that somehow were not possible, keep it and sell it to an exempt person.

That's among the reasons an FFL might like to receive guns shipped from another FFL - at least there would be someplace to send it back to.

[Sturnovik]

The transfer isn't complete. It has to be either sent back or sold to an exempt person from how it has been explained to be by an FFL.

True, although I thought as long as it originated from a Private party as opposed to an FFL selling a new gun to him that was off roster, that he was ok?

[keenkeen]

True, although I thought as long as it originated from a Private party as opposed to an FFL selling a new gun to him that was off roster, that he was ok?

A handgun that is already owned by a California resident may be transferred to another California resident via PPT

[Sturnovik]

A handgun that is already owned by a California resident may be transferred to another California resident via PPT

I know, I thought he said he got it through Gunbroker and assumed it was out of state.

I love that PPT works that way

[zfields]

True, although I thought as long as it originated from a Private party as opposed to an FFL selling a new gun to him that was off roster, that he was ok?

like the post above me, if its a CA resident, opposed to importing it from out of state.

[ap3572001]

I have a good one here . ( Just for fun

Lets say, some handgun (on roster,off roster) is found in Ca.
(It has a clean serial number. Not stolen anywhere . Not wanted anywhere. )

Can any Ca. resident PPT it to another Ca. resident?

True ? or False?

[moooboy]

thanks everyone
for the sake of argument, Let's say the gun is a different finish than the roster says, but the same firearm. Its still not on the roster. You cant return it. I had this happen but stopped it when i found it was wrong before it came to my dealer. Im just wondering what WOULD have happened. This was a gun from a calif res to a calif resident. No way to PPT from distance

thanks

[Serafino]

Just to underscore what hasn't been underscored here: PPT means face-to-face. That's why the original scenario won't work.

[VTX]

Just to underscore what hasn't been underscored here: PPT means face-to-face. That's why the original scenario won't work.

yes but that doesn't say what would happen with said firearm, we know it has to be FTF

[billybob_jcv]

thanks everyone
for the sake of argument, Let's say the gun is a different finish than the roster says, but the same firearm. Its still not on the roster. You cant return it. I had this happen but stopped it when i found it was wrong before it came to my dealer. Im just wondering what WOULD have happened. This was a gun from a calif res to a calif resident. No way to PPT from distance

thanks

If the FFL is following the letter of the law, they will not release the off-roster gun to you. You say "can't return it" - but the only options are to return it and you get your money refunded, or the FFL keeps it for sale to an authorized buyer on your behalf. I'm having a hard time understanding why you and the seller couldn't have figured out a way to PPT in-person. You are in the same state - not different planets...

It is an utter travesty that finish is a criteria for determining roster status. There is absolutely no reason finish, barrel length, fixed/adjustable sights, grip type or other non-action related aspects should be used for criteria in determining what constitutes a "safe handgun".

The roster fails every "reasonable person" test...

[Quiet]

If it can't be returned, then...
... the buyer sells it to a exempt person (CA LEO), who then does the transfer at the CA FFL dealer.
... the buyer sells it to someone out-of-state and pays the CA FFL dealer to ship it the new buyer's out-of-state FFL dealer.
... the buyer sells it to the CA FFL dealer, who then keeps it for sell to exempt persons (CA LEOs).