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[turbopower]

I too have noticed I shoot better with my Sig vs. my Glock. My order off accuracy with my pistols. Best to worst.

1. Colt 1911
2. Sig 229
3. HK USP
4. Glock 19

The Colt is the most accurate but the Sig feels the best out of all the above mentioned.

[InGrAM]

This past year has been frustrating indeed. Had to sell off lots of toys to justify/fun my shooting habbit. Down to 2 handguns and 2 rifles (not including the stuff I inherited which I will never sell regardless of whether or not it fits my tastes since it belongs to future generations not just me).

That really sucks you had to sell off some toys, there is little worse than selling off toys you worked hard for.
Well, you'll get that G26 or EMP soon enough and start having a lot more fun. NTM, feeling a lot more secure during day to day life.

[BamBam-31]

Nothing wrong with liking different platforms. Variety is the spice of life! Seems like the Sig fits you well. You've hit upon a few of my favorites: Glock, Sig, 1911. All are great in their own way and need no justification beyond "Hey, I like it!"

I've found Sigs to be amazingly accurate and well built guns. Kinda pricey, but when you take them apart and look closely at them, you can see where the money went.

The DA/SA issue has been re-hashed to death. My two cents on the matter is I'd rather just put in the trigger time behind a simpler system (shorter learning curve), but in practice the differences are more theoretical than actual. There are plenty of people that shoot DA/SA well in competitions w/o throwing first round DA fliers every time. The trick is prepping the trigger (a semi-advanced technique, but not impossible to learn) for that first DA shot.

Definitely keep exploring, experimenting, and learning!

[greybeard]

greybeard you are starting a war there my friend. jimmy how you doing man!

Not trying to start a war this time. Own both and if I dropped both in the mud, I would have no fear shooting the glock just checking the bore. The sig I probably would want to clean. I just think the sig has tighter tolerances, except for the last 17 I brought.

[Lead Waster]

To be honest, until I bought a 1911 and spent an hour shooting it, I really wasn't very "trigger savvy". I have a glock and a CZ and never had a problem with them. The 1911 trigger really spoils you. The 1911 trigger doesn't move at all, you just put pressure on it then suddenly ... bang! Most other triggers move and let you feel all sorts of stuff going on.

It's a better trigger and it is EASIER TO SHOOT because it's good, so even a novice can get good results with it because it's very forgiving. Good shooters can shoot anything accurately, but a 1911 lets even novices shoot well.

It's made me more aware of the triggers of my other guns. I'll go from there.

Maybe for the OP, the SIG is just easier for him to shoot than the glock, regardless of how long he's had the glock. I can't hit the side of a barn with my glock 21. Once I get more shooting practice with the 1911, I'll go back to the glock and see if I've learned anything.

[Iknownot]

To be honest, until I bought a 1911 and spent an hour shooting it, I really wasn't very "trigger savvy". I have a glock and a CZ and never had a problem with them. The 1911 trigger really spoils you. The 1911 trigger doesn't move at all, you just put pressure on it then suddenly ... bang! Most other triggers move and let you feel all sorts of stuff going on.

It's a better trigger and it is EASIER TO SHOOT because it's good, so even a novice can get good results with it because it's very forgiving. Good shooters can shoot anything accurately, but a 1911 lets even novices shoot well.

It's made me more aware of the triggers of my other guns. I'll go from there.

Maybe for the OP, the SIG is just easier for him to shoot than the glock, regardless of how long he's had the glock. I can't hit the side of a barn with my glock 21. Once I get more shooting practice with the 1911, I'll go back to the glock and see if I've learned anything.

I've found it's harder to go from light triggers to heavy than vice versa. I don't know if that true for everyone, but I have had a much easier time doing better going from, lets say a revolver to a 1911 than from a 1911 to a revolver. (Just based on stuff I've tried and rented on range days).

[Freq18Hz]

What the hell guys? I've been shooting my Glock since I could own a pistol 3-4 years. And just the other day my uncle had his Sig 226 made in 1982. I loaded up his mags, bang bang all in the 10 ring at 7 yards. Then with my Glock the groups weren't as tight. I have to say the single action on my uncles Sig226 was better than my Glock. Simple as that.... Anybody have similar experience? I guess now I'm open to other pistol platforms. I wasn't a fan of sigs since I only shot a 220 and just wasn't use to the .45acp recoil. But now I do like the 226 9mm.

Shoot a CZ-75b, then you'll really have your mind blown.

No one that I know of has ever preferred a glock for accuracy or trigger feel.

-Freq

[tacticalcity]

I think the issue that comes up consistently in your posts, is not your point of view that you offer, which I personally don't have a problem with. It's the fact that you believe your experience is indicative of everyone's experience.

It's the fact you can't possibly believe that ANYONE can use a DA/SA system with out issues because YOU weren't able to that is grating. Especially because you seem to post in every Glock/Trigger thread that comes up around here. Your posts come up over and over and it is the same thing every time.

Let me put it this way: The first couple of times I ever tried a glock, I absolutely disliked it because of the grip angle. I was all over the place and I just couldn't get comfortable with the pistol, compared to anything else I had ever tried, borrowed, or rented.

So what would you think if I consistently posted in any and every Glock or handgun suggestion thread, expressing shock and incredulity that anyone could possibly shoot a glock well and about how it's a known fact that glock's grip angle is different than any other pistol and that any other handgun is better because of it and a better choice, not that you couldn't possibly get good with a glock, but it take more time to get used to it, which is time you could be using to train instead, which is time better spent and that I know an instructor at a big time instructor school that said glocks are not a good choice for people because of the grip angle, etc....

Every time....


You wouldn't find that a bit silly?

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I will say, I have noticed, I have had days at the range, whether that is through a range rental or trying out friend's stuff, where I pick up the new gun, try it out, and shoot it better than any of the guns I shoot normally.

I think part of it is that you are so used to your normal gun, you get all the bad habits programmed in with using it all the time.

Whereas, if you pick up something new, you are shooting it and perhaps thinking about it a bit more (even if subconsciously) since it is new an different, and you end up doing better.

That being said, there are times where I pick up something new and really struggle to do well. It just depends on the day.

I give consistent advice. That's your complaint? Now that is silly.

So much of your post simply is not true. I have repeatedly said some people do great with the DA/SA and pick it up fine. Most new shooters struggle but not all. I also say time and time again that any gun can mastered with enough time and effort, just some are little easier than others. That is a far cry from how you are characterizing my statements.

Glock haters do come into every thread and gripe about looks, grip angle etc. again and again and again and again...yet I refrain from making a personal attack against them.

I've seen it again, and again, and again, and again at firearms courses. When you see it that often...the pattern becomes pretty darn clear. If it were just my experience, or a few people every now and again that would be one thing. But it I see it so often that its safe to say it's pretty much normal. I've discussed the subject with shooting instructor after shooting instructor and they say the same thing every time.

If you notice, I wasn't saying his experience wasn't what he said it was. I asked whether or not he, like many guys new to the DA/SA was actually using the DA pull or whether or not he was skipping it which would not be a fair comparison. This was triggered largely by his saying how much he liked the SA pull on the Sig. Which made me thing he wasn't making it a fair test. He later responded and that yes, he was working with the DA pull as well.

Not bringing up that he should make sure he's giving the gun a fair and proper evaluation would be pretty silly of me. The problem is yours brother. Not mine.

I have no problem with people liking what they like. But I stand by my statements. They've been backed up time and time again during courses. I would not be so adimant about it if it were not backed up with so many others having the same negative experiences.

Once you have some solid fundamentals...it is a heck of lot easier to master a DA/SA gun. Because now you're able to just focus on the particular neuances of that gun, and not trying to learn shooting fundamentals at the exact same time.

But if you learned on a DA/SA and mastered the DA/SA I can understand why you think it was no big deal. You're past the hard part already. So now you have a rosy memory of the process. I had no idea how much easier another platform would be to use either until somebody pointed out that in their opinion I was struggling with my Beretta (I thought I was doing alright but not great) and asked if I would like to try out a Glock instead. The Beretta had been my duty weapon for years and I had military training on it. Before that moment...I was an absolute Glock hater. Hated their looks, hated the lack of thumb safety, you name it I bought into the hateraid. But the difference it made during a 4-Day course was so night and day obvious I could not help but become a fan. I bought one and have enjoyed it ever since. This is an experience I've seen repeated countless times at shooting courses. Rarely does a new shooter with DA/SA have an easier time of it than shooters with the same experience level using a Glock, Glock Clone or 1911. Usually when the DA/SA guys is really doing great he is an experienced shooter with several courses already under his belt and years of trigger time.

[CSACANNONEER]

What the hell guys? I've been shooting my Glock since I could own a pistol 3-4 years. And just the other day my uncle had his Sig 226 made in 1982. I loaded up his mags, bang bang all in the 10 ring at 7 yards. Then with my Glock the groups weren't as tight. I have to say the single action on my uncles Sig226 was better than my Glock. Simple as that.... Anybody have similar experience? I guess now I'm open to other pistol platforms. I wasn't a fan of sigs since I only shot a 220 and just wasn't use to the .45acp recoil. But now I do like the 226 9mm.

Why are you surprised? Didn't anyone ever tell you that Glocks suck?

[greybeard]

Why are you surprised? Didn't anyone ever tell you that Glocks suck?

This is starting a war


FYI,
This is my 500th post

[Lead Waster]

Shoot a CZ-75b, then you'll really have your mind blown.

No one that I know of has ever preferred a glock for accuracy or trigger feel.

-Freq

I have a CZ-75b SA. OMG, with the hogue wrap-around grips, it's like part of my hand! Amazing!! However, the trigger is gritty and lots of pretravel. I know I need to just shoot the crap out of it to get rid of the grit AND I also have a trigger with pre-travel and a competition trigger waiting in a drawer for me to install it.

Since the 1911 is new to me, I'm enjoying the crap out of it. Breaking it in by hitting bullseyes (and fliers too off course).

I know it's easier to go from a heavier to a lighter trigger. The reason I am practicing with the 1911 (and also a 22/45) is because when I only had the Glock 21, I couldn't hit anything (No, I've not taken classes) and it made me not like shooting. I'm the type that likes some positive re-inforcement and less frustration to get me to practice. With the G21 and my bad shooting, I was like "Bah, this sucks and is no fun". This is why I picked up some other pistols of different flavors (I'm not the type to buy eight high end 1911's and nothing else)

[powaybob]

I have three 45s among my collection: a 1911, a Ruger P345, and an XD.

My first time through at Front Sight I used the 1911 and did ok, but after that I used the XD because it just felt better in my hands and I shot better with it. I like them all but when it comes to one I want to shoot, the XD is the favorite. Your reaction could be as simple as that- it just falls to your hand better than what you have been using.

[tacticalcity]

No, I've not taken classes.

We've gotta fix that brother. Where are you located?

Courses are so much darn fun. The enjoyment factor alone makes them worth wild. The leap in ability is a bonus. They make regular range trips seem boring by comparison. Especially when you get to the advanced stuff where you're on the move the majority of the time and doing real life stuff.

I've found the longer the course, the more improvement I make and the longer that leap in ability sticks with me. But those courses can get expensive. The less expensive one day courses are great too. You still learn alot and you still improve alot and you still have a lot of fun.

Up here in Sacramento there is a School called Grey Ops Firearms Training (formerly Stone Cobra Tactical). They offer one day courses starting around $160. You bring your own gun, ammo, eyes, ears, mags, holster, mag pouches. I really enjoyed their courses and have yet to meet anyone who didn't. Bring whatever gun you use the most and are most likely to use in self defense.

I am sure if you look in the Competition, Action-Shooting and Training Section here on Calguns you can find a similar school in your backyard.

After a course or two you'll have to change your username to Lead Optimizer.

[DRAB_81]

Shoot a CZ-75b, then you'll really have your mind blown.

No one that I know of has ever preferred a glock for accuracy or trigger feel.

-Freq

Allow myself, to introduce...... myself.

I have owned & shot 1911's, HK's, Sig's, XD's & M&P's. I know it's probably NOT common, but I LOVE Stock Glock triggers. Everything else feels awkward to me now, and I don't shoot anything as well as my Glocks. I shoot IDPA, and I'm shooting my first USPSA match this month. For me, the Glock is the ultimate handgun for this style of rapid fire/combat/run&gun shooting. I use competition for training, to shoot the way I'll have to shoot if I ever have to defend myself. I'm not real big on Bullseye type target shooting, although I do that too on occasion.

To the OP: If I were you, I'd sell the Glock and buy a Sig. Most of the time, the gun chooses you. I absolutely DID NOT want to be a "Glock Guy", but here I am. Imagine that: a Glock "Fanboi" recommending someone sell a Glock to buy a Sig. What's this world coming to...

[unusedusername]

Handguns are like gloves, some fit a person better then others.

I have no issue with Sig's DA to SA trigger change, while I cant seem to find a way to get a comfortable grip on a Glock and I find them too "top heavy" since the frame is polymer.

I actually didn't start out with Sig either, but the stuff I shot before Sigs didn't fit me as well as Sig's P-series does.

Now the Sig SP-series does not fit me AT ALL... so go figure.