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[Iknownot]

I also specifically said that with enough time the DA/SA and any other gun can be mastered. They are just not as easy to master as other options.

So aside from your pissy attitude...what exactly is you problem with my posts?

I think the issue that comes up consistently in your posts, is not your point of view that you offer, which I personally don't have a problem with. It's the fact that you believe your experience is indicative of everyone's experience.

It's the fact you can't possibly believe that ANYONE can use a DA/SA system with out issues because YOU weren't able to that is grating. Especially because you seem to post in every Glock/Trigger thread that comes up around here. Your posts come up over and over and it is the same thing every time.

Let me put it this way: The first couple of times I ever tried a glock, I absolutely disliked it because of the grip angle. I was all over the place and I just couldn't get comfortable with the pistol, compared to anything else I had ever tried, borrowed, or rented.

So what would you think if I consistently posted in any and every Glock or handgun suggestion thread, expressing shock and incredulity that anyone could possibly shoot a glock well and about how it's a known fact that glock's grip angle is different than any other pistol and that any other handgun is better because of it and a better choice, not that you couldn't possibly get good with a glock, but it take more time to get used to it, which is time you could be using to train instead, which is time better spent and that I know an instructor at a big time instructor school that said glocks are not a good choice for people because of the grip angle, etc....

Every time....


You wouldn't find that a bit silly?

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I will say, I have noticed, I have had days at the range, whether that is through a range rental or trying out friend's stuff, where I pick up the new gun, try it out, and shoot it better than any of the guns I shoot normally.

I think part of it is that you are so used to your normal gun, you get all the bad habits programmed in with using it all the time.

Whereas, if you pick up something new, you are shooting it and perhaps thinking about it a bit more (even if subconsciously) since it is new an different, and you end up doing better.

That being said, there are times where I pick up something new and really struggle to do well. It just depends on the day.

[tacticalcity]

I had a West German SIG P226 before I sold it and bought a Glock, here's why...

The SIG did have a nice single action trigger, and I shot pretty well with it at the indoor range, but then I took it to the action matches...

The DA trigger pull was annoying to shoot, especially under timer pressure.

Then the SA trigger pull would seem too light, and I'd shoot prematurely ().

And finally, the trigger reset was way too long for rapid fire. Note this was an older West German SIG, without the short reset trigger. I have tried the new SIGs with the short reset trigger and E2 grips, and I like the feel much better.

The Glock has a spongy trigger, yes, but the trigger pull on first shot feels just like the next.

The trigger reset is short. Not 1911 short, but short enough.

I experienced less muzzle flip upon recoil with the Glock, same grip, same loads.

I'm okay with the Glock grip angle.

Careful Jimmy, these DA/SA guys are going to have a hissy fit when they read your post and see you argee with me. They're on mission to prove it is all in my head.

[Kempfer]

I noticed when I got my 1911 I shot much tighter groups at 25 yards than I did on my glock 19. This is because the glock trigger requires much stronger fundamentals than the 1911.

I was thinking about switching to the 1911 but I would feel defeated so I decided to master the glock trigger before switching platforms. I can always shoot a 1911 well if I can shoot a glock well, but I don't think it will work the other way around.

[greybeard]

I find for whatever reason Sigs are more accurate then Glocks probably tighter tolerances . In my mind that explains the difference in price

[InGrAM]

I may have to try an hi power so I can stick with the 9mm round.

The Hi-Power is a fine gun and is a proven combat pistol. The trigger is much better than any DAO (pre-set) glock, M&P, ect.. It has the best grip of any "hi-cap" pistol, IMO. It would be a very nice gun to own whether you wanted a cheap FEG, FM or a nice FN or Browning.

[tacticalcity]

I will say, I have noticed, I have had days at the range, whether that is through a range rental or trying out friend's stuff, where I pick up the new gun, try it out, and shoot it better than any of the guns I shoot normally.

I think part of it is that you are so used to your normal gun, you get all the bad habits programmed in with using it all the time.

Whereas, if you pick up something new, you are shooting it and perhaps thinking about it a bit more (even if subconsciously) since it is new an different, and you end up doing better.

That being said, there are times where I pick up something new and really struggle to do well. It just depends on the day.

Muscle memory is a powerful thing indeed.

I shot an XD at the range the other day, and it was similar enough to my Glock that my muscle memory for the Glock kept kicking in and even though in my head I could figure out the differences in the pull and reset my muscle memory kept overriding my brain and screwing me up. With enough time I could have overcome that and developed a second muscle memory for the XD, but it was annoying at the time.

I find it easier to learn/master guns that are radically different from each other. So you can develope clear muscle memory for each without getting confused. For example, I have no problem transitioning between my 1911 and my Glock. Everything about them is different including their feel, so I stop at the proper reset point for each and do all the things you have to do for each guns design quirks by muscle memory without getting confused not matter how fast I am working or whether I just got done shooting one or other. I never got them them confused like I did with the XD and the Glock.

Not sure that made sense...but that's my experience.

[Iknownot]

Muscle memory is a powerful thing indeed.

I shot an XD at the range the other day, and it was similar enough to my Glock that my muscle memory for the Glock kept kicking in and even though in my head I could figure out the differences in the pull and reset my muscle memory kept overriding my brain and screwing me up. With enough time I could have overcome that and developed a second muscle memory for the XD, but it was annoying at the time.

I find it easier to learn/master guns that are radically different from each other. So you can develope clear muscle memory for each without getting confused.

Not sure that made sense.

No, I think that exactly makes sense.

[InGrAM]

Muscle memory is a powerful thing indeed.

I shot an XD at the range the other day, and it was similar enough to my Glock that my muscle memory for the Glock kept kicking in and even though in my head I could figure out the differences in the pull and reset my muscle memory kept overriding my brain and screwing me up. With enough time I could have overcome that and developed a second muscle memory for the XD, but it was annoying at the time.

I find it easier to learn/master guns that are radically different from each other. So you can develope clear muscle memory for each without getting confused. For example, I have no problem transitioning between my 1911 and my Glock. Everything about them is different including their feel, so I stop at the proper reset point for each and do all the things you have to do for each guns design quirks by muscle memory without getting confused not matter how fast I am working or whether I just got done shooting one or other. I never got them them confused like I did with the XD and the Glock.

Not sure that made sense...but that's my experience.

You need more guns, or at least more handguns. Not trying to flame buddy

[tacticalcity]

4-Day courses are great for ironing out those bad habbits that creep into muscle memory. But they are expensive, and out of state. The one day local courses are a lot of fun, but you need those 4 day ones to even begin to override muscle memory.

I wish I had the budget to shoot daily, and take the longer courses every six months and really stay tuned up. If I can get to the range 2-3 times a month I count myself lucky. I never understood why my law enforcement buddies who get free ammo and excellent ranges to train on don't take better advantage of those resources.

[aermotor]

Did you miss the target with your Glock? Do you shoot in competition where it requires you to put them all in the X ring of a target under stress?

People are funny how they think about guns as far as "accuracy" goes and that one shoots "better" than another. If anything it shows you need to work on your trigger control with your Glock. I don't necessarily think any gun is better than another one, some are just more forgiving of bad habits.

[tacticalcity]

You need more guns, or at least more handguns. Not trying to flame buddy

I'm down to two at the moment. But I've owned and trained heavily with Berettas, Bersas, S&Ws, Sigs, H&Ks, Glocks and now a 1911.

Sure I haven't owned a CZ, Keltec, or Ruger but common...I've hit most the major food groups.

You have a mistaken impression of my experience level...or lack their of.

[InGrAM]

I'm down to two at the moment. But I've owned and trained heavily with Berettas, Bersas, S&Ws, Sigs, H&Ks, Glocks and now a 1911.

Sure I haven't owned a CZ, Keltec, or Ruger but common...I've hit most the major food groups.

You have a mistaken impression of my experience level...or lack their of.

I wasn't trying to flame you, sorry if it came off that way. I was saying that you should get some more hand guns because I know you only have two or so, lol.

[tacticalcity]

I have NO problem with somebody absolutely LOVING the Sig Sauer. It is an extremely well made and proven firearm.

I am simply pointing out that a lot of people cheat when evaluating them by bypassing the DA pull and make it an unfair comparison. This is something new guys do. Not experienced guys. Before somebody spends money on something, they should have the full picture and test it out right. But if you're not already familiar with them it's hard to know what to do.

Any gun can be mastered. Some are just easier than others.

[tacticalcity]

I wasn't trying to flame you, sorry if it came off that way. I was saying that you should get some more hand guns because I know you only have two or so, lol.

This past year has been frustrating indeed. Had to sell off lots of toys to justify/fund my shooting habbit. Down to 2 handguns and 2 rifles (not including the stuff I inherited which I will never sell regardless of whether or not it fits my tastes since it belongs to future generations not just me).

The side job, TacticalCity, has done pretty well but not as well as it was doing during the Obama scare. But the day job has cut back hours, salary, and even added furlough days. Still, I can't complain. At least I have a job. Several buddies lost theirs.

[esartori]

Everyone will be proficient better with one platform vs another. If the Sig works for you, then great! single action, by nature, tends to be a little easier to master than double action (or Glock's Safe action) because of less trigger travel. I think with training anyone can be proficient with any type of trigger though.