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[Foriegn power]

Hhhh

[tacticalcity]

Were you bypassing the first DA pull? Sounds like it based on your statement about the "SA" trigger. If so it is not surprising. The SA pull is extremely light compared to the medium pull of the Glock. So when plinking at the range where you can either skip the heavy first DA pull all together or only use it for your first shot of a given session and shoot the rest on SA you get a nice group. But that is not reality. That's fantasy.

If you were working from a holster and training "properly" it would not have been so easy with the Sig as it was when cheating. If you had to draw, fire a controlled pair (or non-standard response of 3-5 rounds) and maybe a head shot, then decock the gun reholster and start over it would have been more difficult. Because instead of having the super light SA pull the entire time you would actually be using the really heavy DA pull. Plus the added complication of mastering both the heavy DA pull followed up by the super light SA pull within a fraction of second tends to mess people up until it becomes muscle memory as well.

The tempation to cheat when testing out DA/SA guns is pretty high. Most people don't even realize they are cheating. But training all day on SA and bypassing the DA pull doesn't give you an accurate picture or help you prepare for a self defense scenerio. In real life, if you need to pull, you won't have the luxury of cocking the gun...and carrying cocked on a gun without a safety is too dangerous.

I'm not bashing the Sig. If you like it, great. I am just saying...evaluate it properly before making up your mind. Make sure you are not cheating and glossing over the DA pull. Truly test it out right. You're not doing yourself any favors if you don't.

[billybob_jcv]

It wouldn't be the first time someone was spoiled by the Sig SA trigger - it is pretty darn sweet. You'll still have the DA->SA transition issue - but if you are just shooting on the range in SA, that problem can disappear if you so desire.

[starsnuffer]

You may just like the natural grip angle that everyone but glock uses on their guns. Have you tried a 1911 or an HK to see if you have similar results?

-W

[JeremyS]

You can carry a hi power or most CZ75 series cocked and locked. Even though they are double action / single action, they have a thumb safety so you can do cocked and locked carry. Some Sigs and plenty of other guns allow this also.

The double action mode is important if you do not have a safety. Otherwise the trigger would be too light and the pull too short and it would be dangerous to carry. A longer, heavier DA pull is something you get used to. It's also nice in a self defense situation where nerves can cause an AD on a light trigger. It's also something you really don't have to use if you don't want to. When target shooting, you have to want to use DA because chambering a round cocks the hammer automatically... you have to specifically drop the hammer so you can fire the first shot DA.

[Iknownot]

I've never understood the big deal people make out of the DA/SA transition.

People have been shooting revolvers for years and years just fine and accurately, and most revolvers have a similar or even heavier pull than the sig's first DA pull.

And once you get through the first DA pull, you have a nice, light, short trigger pull for every shot after.

I just don't get the big deal.

DA to SA is something to get used to, just like any other trigger system on any other pistol. Once you get used to it, you don't have to think about it anymore.

[tacticalcity]

You can carry a hi power or most CZ75 series cocked and locked. Even though they are double action / single action, they have a thumb safety so you can do cocked and locked carry. Some Sigs and plenty of other guns allow this also.

The double action mode is important if you do not have a safety. Otherwise the trigger would be too light and the pull too short and it would be dangerous to carry.

Hi-Power would be SA only like the 1911. Between the two I like the 1911 better but the Hi-Power is an excellent gun.

I don't have first hand experience with the CZs, so I can't comment on them. But I did have an HK USP with the V1 trigger pack. It was DA/SA and could be carried cocked and locked...only it was flawed. About half the time you over pushed on the safety and it decocked the gun. So you ended up being forced to deal with the DA pull anyway. If you didn't practice with the DA pull you weren't doing yourself any favors. The CZs might be totally different, but I like the cocked and locked scheme much more on an SA only gun like the 1911 than on the HK USP V1, which also had a fabulous SA pull (but a very heavy DA pull).

[tacticalcity]

I've never understood the big deal people make out of the DA/SA transition.

People have been shooting revolvers for years and years just fine, and accurately and most revolvers have a similar or even heavier pull than the sig's first DA pull.

And once you get through the first DA pull, you have a nice, light, short trigger pull for every shot after.

I just don't get the big deal.

DA to SA is something to get used to, just like any other trigger system on any other pistol. Once you get used to it, you don't have to think about it anymore.

You will never notice it just plinking at the range. But if you take a professional defensive hangun course you quickly see the issue. When shooting at high speed you end up screwing up royally. Your target shows one group high and one group low. Because you're not pulling hard enough on the DA pull then over correcting on the SA pull. I've seen it time and time again. From guys who claim to have shot their DA/SA guns for years. But it something you only see when people are working at full speed.

With enough time, energy and effort the DA/SA trigger can be mastered. Any gun can. It just typically takes a lot longer. Most shooters that get into taking their training seriously give up long before then and switch to a platform that is easier to master. Such as Glocks, Glock Clones, and 1911s. Some stick with 'em by choice. Others don't have a choice because it is their issued weapon and a requirement.

Fans of the DA/SA will argue with you until they are blue in the face on this one. But ask the instructors at a big name shooting school what gun they recommend for a new shooter and it is guarenteed they will recommend a Glock a Glock Clone, or a 1911.

[tacticalcity]

The safety is a common complaint about the hi-power. The trigger is also not nearly as nice as the 1911. Both can be worked on and improved by a gunsmith but neither will be as nice as those on a 1911. But it is a very nice gun with a rich history. People rave about how comfortable they are. Personally I like the Glock better when it comes to a carry/defensive gun. But as a collector's gun the Hi-Power is an excellent addition to any collection.

If you are that set on leaving the Glock, 1911s do come in 9mm. There are not many on the roster, but you can always find a shop doing the single shot exemptions.

[JTROKS]

If you're just looking for a reason to buy another handgun then I sympathize with you.

He, he, he...

[Iknownot]

You will never notice it just plinking at the range. But if you take a professional defensive hangun course you quickly see the issue. When shooting at high speed you end up screwing up royally. Your target shows one group high and one group low. Because you're not pulling hard enough on the DA pull then over correcting on the SA pull. I've seen it time and time again. From guys who claim to have shot their DA/SA guns for years. But it something you only see when people are working at full speed.

With enough time, energy and effort the DA/SA trigger can be mastered. Any gun can. It just typically takes a lot longer.

Fans of the DA/SA will argue with you until they are blue in the face on this one. But ask the instructors at a big name shooting school what gun they recommend for a new shooter and it is guarenteed they will recommend a Glock a Glock Clone, or a 1911.

I don't really want to get in it with you again. We've been around this circle a couple of times before. I probably should have held my tongue and refrained from posting.

[Paradiddle]

You will never notice it just plinking at the range. But if you take a professional defensive hangun course you quickly see the issue. When shooting at high speed you end up screwing up royally. Your target shows one group high and one group low. Because you're not pulling hard enough on the DA pull then over correcting on the SA pull. I've seen it time and time again. From guys who claim to have shot their DA/SA guns for years. But it something you only see when people are working at full speed.

With enough time, energy and effort the DA/SA trigger can be mastered. Any gun can. It just typically takes a lot longer. Most shooters that get into taking their training seriously give up long before then and switch to a platform that is easier to master. Such as Glocks, Glock Clones, and 1911s. Some stick with 'em by choice. Others don't have a choice because it is their issued weapon and a requirement.

Fans of the DA/SA will argue with you until they are blue in the face on this one. But ask the instructors at a big name shooting school what gun they recommend for a new shooter and it is guarenteed they will recommend a Glock a Glock Clone, or a 1911.

Enough with your Kool-Aid drinking – your posts are so biased it’s a bit silly. I've taken "defensive classes" and I've shot competitively - all with my CZ75 that I start hammer down - first shot is DA, rest are SA. This was the gun I started competing with - and it's done just fine.

Again - if you practice you get used to it and it’s not a concern. My CZ has a fantastic trigger from Angus and I can put all 10 where I need to even when shooting from DA my first shot.

Glocks and their striker triggers are not the only game in town - get over it.

To the OP - maybe you shoot the Sig better because the grip angle and bore axis agrees with you more. Both are great pistols.

[jimmykan]

I had a West German SIG P226 before I sold it and bought a Glock, here's why...

The SIG did have a nice single action trigger, and I shot pretty well with it at the indoor range, but then I took it to the action matches...

The DA trigger pull was annoying to shoot, especially under timer pressure.

Then the SA trigger pull would seem too light, and I'd shoot prematurely ().

And finally, the trigger reset was way too long for rapid fire. Note this was an older West German SIG, without the short reset trigger. I have tried the new SIGs with the short reset trigger and E2 grips, and I like the feel much better.

The Glock has a spongy trigger, yes, but the trigger pull on first shot feels just like the next.

The trigger reset is short. Not 1911 short, but short enough.

I experienced less muzzle flip upon recoil with the Glock, same grip, same loads.

I'm okay with the Glock grip angle.

[InGrAM]

1.SA trigger Vs DAO (pre-set)
2.Sig is heavier = less felt recoil
3.Sig has a more natural grip angle

That would be my guess. Most likely #1 is the major factor

[tacticalcity]

Enough with your Kool-Aid drinking – your posts are so biased it’s a bit silly. I've taken "defensive classes" and I've shot competitively - all with my CZ75 that I start hammer down - first shot is DA, rest are SA. This was the gun I started competing with - and it's done just fine.

Again - if you practice you get used to it and it’s not a concern. My CZ has a fantastic trigger from Angus and I can put all 10 where I need to even when shooting from DA my first shot.

Glocks and their striker triggers are not the only game in town - get over it.

To the OP - maybe you shoot the Sig better because the grip angle and bore axis agrees with you more. Both are great pistols.

You really need to learn NOT to make things personal. Burning bridges is a bad way to go through life. You could have simply posted a contrary opinion and that would be that. Instead you act like a jerk and intentionally try to upset me.

Plus you are TOTALLY off base.

I just got done recommending the 1911 to this guy, which invalidates your comments.

I specifically said above that I cannot speak for CZs, because I don't have much experience with them and could only speak the guns I do have experience with...Sigs, Berettas, H&K USPs being among them.

I also specifically said that with enough time the DA/SA and any other gun can be mastered. They are just not as easy to master as other options.

So next time you decide to get in my face, at least get your facts straight.