What am I doing wrong?

[lawaia]

So I finally got my part out of my pistol yesterday at the range.

I shot my first 5 string group of the size of about a quarter or nickel.
3 were hugging 4 was a flyer and the 5th was right back on. Only
problem is it was about 6" to the left and 6" low from where inwas
Aiming. I was blaming my flinching or grip for being low and left but
I doubt I could screw up and make a 1" group at 7 to 10 yards with my glock 17.

I did the polish job the other day on top of the 3.5 connector and the pull lbs didn't go down but the trigger defiantly got smoother.

But why is my glock shooting low left and how do I fix it?

My rear sight is already as far left of the slide as it can go so the previous owner probably had the same issue. So what can I do to fix it. Because it has to be the gun not me.

I didn't take pics I don't know why but I have 3 people for proof

I'm not complaining I'm super happy about that grouping with a glock
Especially in my hands but I blames my grip or trigger pull for the low left.
Now I know it's the gun. Unless I did the same exact mistakes 5 times in a row.

he said it's pushed all the way to the right....

See bolded text in OP.

[lawaia]

But when I used the ranges glock I pulled left with that one too. But it had the 5.5 connector on it. Then again that was months ago. Maybe I will but I want to find one with a 3.5 in it too donuts a closer comparison.

I love the gun it's just frustrating when I keep shooting left and I've tried just about everything to adjust or fix it.

If your technique is correct, the connector pull will not matter.

[hkdad]

I meant the sight is as far right as it will go.

^^^

[tacticalcity]

But that's the thing I shoot all of them to the left. But how do you make a 5 shot 1" group making the same mistake?

I'm not complaining about the group I just want it to be in the middle.

Just to confirm, you do not have this problem with other handguns? You've confirmed this by switching to something else right after doing it with the Glock? Having shot better a year ago, a month ago or even a few days before doesn't count.

I ask because this is very characteristic of a shooter starting to slip in his fundamentals. Overtime bad habbits can creep in and we need to iron them out. I've got plenty of them...so I am not knocking ya.

Odds are it's you and not the gun. I don't mean that as an insult. None of us are perfect, and even when we get ourselves super tuned up, it only lasts for a little bit before more bad habbits creep in.

Regardless of the gun, I anticipate too much and tend to ride the line of the bullseye and "pushing" quadrant when tuned up and well into the pushing quadrant when I've let myself go. A few years ago I was always in the "jerking the trigger" quadrant. Having had that issue in a long while (aside from a random flier here and there).

Hope the chart helps. Lots of dry fire might help as well. Go dry and see if there is any movement in the gun. If so...it's definately you.

(If you are left handed take the advice on the other side of the chart...it is just a diagnostic tool...but it helps as a first step towards fixing your problem.)

[CK_32]

Good points. Since I can rent guns free maybe next range trip I'll try an m9 and another 17 and see how I do and report back.

Last time I shot the 92fs I remember shooting high that was all. But well see how it goes. And Im not taking any offense at all. These are good pointers and I agree. I'm one of the dirt people to say it's me not the gun because usuallythats the case.

The only thing that trips me out is how the group was spectacular in my eyes so that couldn't have been flinch of bad technique. And when I shoot my targets majority of the rounds are always low left. At about the same spot.

So either my technique is concrete with a consistent flaw in there or my guns off a little. Which then would suck because I'm fixable with no money needed. My glock isnt

[Paradiddle]

[tacticalcity]

Glocks are horrible and never shoot straight. You need a 1911.

"cue Tacticalcity!"

Calling me out by name? That's not cool. I don't even know you. It would be one thing if we were buddies and you wanted to get my goat just to play around and make a joke, but I don't know you from Adam. This a pure a-hole move on your part, bubba.

You hate and run then have the balls to call me a fanboy?

I offer an informed opinion backed up by fact. You just stir the pot for giggles - and single me out of all people? WTF?

That shooting target (for example) that I posted above will actually help him, and if not him someone else. Yet you mock me for posting it. Childish to say the least. Grow up.

[tacticalcity]

Good points. Since I can rent guns free maybe next range trip I'll try an m9 and another 17 and see how I do and report back.

Last time I shot the 92fs I remember shooting high that was all. But well see how it goes. And Im not taking any offense at all. These are good pointers and I agree. I'm one of the dirt people to say it's me not the gun because usuallythats the case.

The only thing that trips me out is how the group was spectacular in my eyes so that couldn't have been flinch of bad technique. And when I shoot my targets majority of the rounds are always low left. At about the same spot.

So either my technique is concrete with a consistent flaw in there or my guns off a little. Which then would suck because I'm fixable with no money needed. My glock isnt

If you do the exact same thing over and over again, you'll get an excellent group in the same place - just not exactly where you want it. When doing trigger control drills (and when I am actually tuned up) I can usually get a nice little clover shapped group all the way out to 20 yards. But it is always just a little off the left and a little high. Try as I might I end up pushing and anticipating to the exact same degree every time. I can switch to my 1911 or my buddies H&K USP, and I have the same problem.

The Glock is lighter than the M9 so you will feel more recoil, which could cause a little more flinching on your part. A heavier gun like the m9 or a 1911 absorbs the felt recoil which tends to lead to you reacting less. If you don't work from the holster then a heavier gun might work better for you.

The reason I like Glocks is they work great during Defensive Shooting. As in from a holster, when seconds count, and you are running and gunning. They are really simple to operate so they are fast. You don't have to fight with a safety or Double Action trigger pull. Things which slow you down, especially when you are new. Eliminate the need to draw from a holster and get your well placed shots off in under 1 second and it doesn't shine as much. If you have the luxury of taking a lot of time between each shot, then there a lots of guns that will probably out perform a Glock - especially if they are heavier.

It all comes down to how you are using your gun and what types of shooting you do most.

If your gun is a night stand gun or just a plinking gun then you might actually be served better with something heavier. I'm not an M9 fan. I'd go with a 1911 over it every day of the week, if I had a choice. A steel frame 1911 is heavy as a brick and will soak up that recoil, especially in a 9mm version. I like guns that have the same trigger pull every single time and the 1911 has that. It is just one less thing to worry about so all your attention is on the fundamentals. But if you favor the M9 for some reason, then it might be the right option for how you use your particular gun. Only you know the how and where you use it most. So only you can figure out what style of gun meets your particular needs best.

That said, with a little more trigger time and perhaps a course or two I am sure you could get yourself on target with your Glock. It would be a shame to part with it. Someday soon you might get into the areas of shooting where it really shines.

[CK_32]

Seems like the heat just puts everyones panties in a bunch and in the mood to argue and instigate.
Look at the press check thread people are still trying to keep the argument alive and going. I'm just laughing at them having nothing better to do but beat a dead horse.

And half of the argument isn't even about the original issue. People just want to fight and I'm not feeding their entertainment anymore. There is no resolving the issue when people aren't even looking to fix the issue at hand just keep it alive.

Yea I'll see about heading to the range this weekend. See about seeing if it's me of the gun. And if me hopefully me fix it.

[hkdad]

Seems like the heat just puts everyones panties in a bunch and in the mood to argue and instigate.

Yea I'll see about heading to the range this weekend. See about seeing if it's me of the gun. And if me hopefully me fix it.

It's a slow hot day! I hope everything works out for you... I need a drink! A cold one! Cheers!

[CK_32]

It's a slow hot day! I hope everything works out for you... I need a drink! A cold one! Cheers!

A en to that brotha!

And I don't let it bother me. I'll let them keep their painties in a bung while I go along with my day. Much bigger things to worry and stress about than Internet talk.

[The DRis]

Seems like the heat just puts everyones panties in a bunch and in the mood to argue and instigate.
Look at the press check thread people are still trying to keep the argument alive and going. I'm just laughing at them having nothing better to do but beat a dead horse.

And half of the argument isn't even about the original issue. People just want to fight and I'm not feeding their entertainment anymore. There is no resolving the issue when people aren't even looking to fix the issue at hand just keep it alive.

Yea I'll see about heading to the range this weekend. See about seeing if it's me of the gun. And if me hopefully me fix it.

It's not the heat. It's just Calguns. I take breaks months at a time to get away from the stupidity.

[Dhena81]

Maybe it is the gun or how its set up.

Possibly high sights so 6 o'clock hold if their not OEM.

The sights are drifted to the left so your hitting left so you drift them to the right.

Bingo you just brought your POI up and to the right I wish everything was that easy.

[tacticalcity]

That chart is for right hand Bullseye, it's a reference at best. You need to start with the fundamentals: stance, grip, sight picture and trigger control. It's alot easier to show than to talk. Most new Glock shooters will go low and left, 90% of that is grip(too low in the web of your hand) and finger position on the trigger (too much finger). Grab the gun as high in the web of your hand then wrap your left hand around your right, do not use the front of the trigger guard. Put only the middle of the finger pad on the trigger. Your stance should be balanced with your right foot slightly to the rear. Lean into it a little, the keep your sight picture and break the trigger. It's not like shooting a rifle, and if you get tired, go to low ready. And start at 3 yards, not 7. When you can make about a one hole group, move out to 5 yards and so on. And go from the low ready, not Bullseye style. Oh, almost forgot, push the rear sight back to center before you try again. Pull the trigger until you hear the reset, then let if forward till it clicks again.

Grip should look like this



stance should look like this, knees do not have to be that bent.

All good info here. I found taking courses really helps. Not only do you learn the fundamentals but lots of little drills to help iron out your technique when the bad habbits start to creep back in. I find going dry, and then after that doing trigger control drills are an excellent tool to sharpen yourself back up when you start to slip. I try and take at least one (usually more) course per year.

[CK_32]

It's not the heat. It's just Calguns. I take breaks months at a time to get away from the stupidity.

Yea I seriously came to the same conclusion after this morning.

Maybe it is the gun or how its set up.

Possibly high sights so 6 o'clock hold if their not OEM.

The sights are drifted to the left so your hitting left so you drift them to the right.

Bingo you just brought your POI up and to the right I wish everything was that easy.

The sights on it are factory sights. And it's already been tweaked to compensate for the left push because the sights are already to the right.

All good info here. I found taking courses really helps. Not only do you learn the fundamentals but lots of little drills to help iron out your technique when the bad habbits start to creep back in. I find going dry, and then after that doing trigger control drills are an excellent tool to sharpen yourself back up when you start to slip. I try and take at least one (usually more) course per year.

Yea I like the guys grip close to mine but my top (left) hand is more on the pistol grip that the trigger guard. I just tried it with my hands with no gun and feels good. I'm going to have to try that. And I don't know if I can squat for 200+ rounds at the range. That takes some good leg strength. But I do the shooting hand foot back and left shoulder slightly closer to the target than the right side.