"I don't like having two trigger pulls"

[BigFatGuy]

Here's something that occurred to me. I've often heard people talk about how they dislike having two types of trigger on a DA/SA pistol.

Yet, when shooting "properly", you don't let the trigger go between shots, releasing it only far enough to reset.

Doesn't that give you two trigger pulls?

[RollingCode3]

Negative. Trigger reset and DA/SA trigger are two different things.

[Sturnovik]

I dont mind it at all. Its still point and shoot so who care. For a noobie or a gf out at the range, yea sure the first DA shot may be terrible but with some range visits it becomes easier. My Sig is so smooth I really dont notice a huge difference. I love my Glock though to and think its a great trigger as well.

[DannyZRC]

IMO, all trigger pulls are the same. Squeeeeze.

that's why we can shoot so many different firearms with fair proficiency despite trigger disparities.

They're all different, but they're all the same as well.

I think the heart of the complaint with DA/SA is just that it's heavy and more difficult to shoot well, the other stuff is just macho rationalization to avoid saying something is too heavy for you to be effective with.

Negative. Trigger reset and DA/SA trigger are two different things.

Disagree, it's no different than DA/SA, though by this standard you have 3 trigger pulls in a DA/SA gun (SA both from reset and w/ takeup)

[gadjeep]

I have a DAO P229R that I never thought that I would like but I have fallen in love with it. Consistent, smooth, deliberate squeeze.

[Sturnovik]

I have a DAO P229R that I never thought that I would like but I have fallen in love with it. Consistent, smooth, deliberate squeeze.

I do want a p229, not sure about DAK vs DAO. What helped you narrow the choice?

[BigFatGuy]

Negative. Trigger reset and DA/SA trigger are two different things.

in what way?

One gives you a long first pull, with a short, snappy second pull.

The other gives you a long first pull, with a short, snappy second pull.

[hybridatsun350]

The two different triggers issue is one of the main reasons I've come to like Glocks so much. The DA is only the first pull, but the first one is the most important.

in what way?

One gives you a long first pull, with a short, snappy second pull.

The other gives you a long first pull, with a short, snappy second pull.

Are you kidding? A DA trigger is nothing like an SA trigger?

[BamBam-31]

in what way?

One gives you a long first pull, with a short, snappy second pull.

The other gives you a long first pull, with a short, snappy second pull.

When people talk about disliking the DA/SA, they're comparing the long 8-9# DA pull to the subsequent short 4.5# SA pulls. People shooting these types of guns with loaded chambers and hammers down usually pull the first shot and group the rest. And, as mentioned, that first shot is kinda important. People shooting DA/SA guns need to train a bit more to overcome the "crunch-n-ticker" first shot flyer tendency, but it's very doable.

With a Glock (and other striker pistols), for instance, every shot is the same pull weight. True, when shooting at speed, the first pull is longer because you only release to reset, but the pull weight and break are the same. You don't have to negotiate a 9# pull vs. a 4.5# pull. Easier that way.

[RollingCode3]

When people talk about disliking the DA/SA, they're comparing the long 8-9# DA pull to the subsequent short 4.5# SA pull. People shooting these types of guns with loaded chambers and hammers down usually pull the first shot and group the rest. And, as mentioned, that first shot is kinda important. People shooting DA/SA guns need to train a bit more to overcome the "crunch-n-ticker" first shot flyer, but it's very doable.

With a Glock (and other striker pistols), for instance, every shot is the same pull weight. True, when shooting at speed, the first pull is longer because you only release to reset, but the pull weight and break are the same. You don't have to negotiate a 9# pull vs. a 4.5# pull. Simple.

+1... Sometimes in a gun fight, the only shot you get is the first shot. Plus you dont have to remember to use the de-cocker before you holster your gun.

[duc748bip]

DA/SA trigger are just fine. You just need more trigger time with it. When i was single having a USP 45C was fine for HD but now with range time far in between, I made the switch to Glock.

[bohoki]

i had one gun that i prefered the double action to the single

it was a smith and wesson 9mm the double felt like a 10 pound long throw but the single was like 20 pounds of 2 millimeter movement

eventually the hammer/trigger broke in and now feels like about 9 pounds on single but for a while i would decock every shot

i then got a glock and that trigger basically goes nothing nothing nothing stop uhhhgg(fingerstrain) bang

its like right after my knuckle pops it goes off but its consistant

[BamBam-31]

[BigFatGuy]

The decocker I get, that's one thing driving me towards glocks, but as for the strength of pull, with a properly held-just-to-reset trigger, it's a pretty minimal difference to me. I guess big meaty hands can be an advantage?

For my next thread, I'll ask why Glock calls their pistols DA-only when you can't dry-fire them twice in a row... seems more like SA-only to me...

[hossb7]

in what way?

One gives you a long first pull, with a short, snappy second pull.

The other gives you a long first pull, with a short, snappy second pull.

you're saying the same thing twice here.

trigger reset is keeping your finger on the trigger after firing and slowly letting it out until you feel/hear the click.

having two trigger pulls means the pounds of pressure required to fire each shot. on my sig, for example, the DA pull is about 11-12 pounds and the SA pull is about 4-5 pounds (my best guess).


so how do you equate trigger reset (which you can do on EVERY gun) to a variation between trigger pulls (depending on if the gun in question is SAO, DAO, DA/SA, etc)?