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  • #31
    Nachoman
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2009
    • 1138

    Having been through several training courses with my Sig Pro, in the beginning I could definitely see the benefit of a striker fired trigger pull. However soon it became pretty second nature to transition between the two. Especially if you take a class where you constantly drawing, firing the DA shot and a couple SA shots, and then rinsing and repeating. I'm still contemplating getting a Glock though, so my opinion may change.

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    • #32
      SCEvan
      Junior Member
      • Sep 2010
      • 23

      I'm very new to guns, but you don't have to use the decocker, correct?

      I'll be picking up my first gun (Sig) when it's released next week. At the range, I'm planning to always use the decocker to put it into DA/SA mode. However, if I don't use the decocker, won't it be in SA and all the trigger pulls will be the same? And if so, doesn't make the argument against different trigger pulls a non-issue if you chose to fire it this way?

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      • #33
        locosway
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        • Jun 2009
        • 11346

        Originally posted by SCEvan
        I'm very new to guns, but you don't have to use the decocker, correct?

        I'll be picking up my first gun (Sig) when it's released next week. At the range, I'm planning to always use the decocker to put it into DA/SA mode. However, if I don't use the decocker, won't it be in SA and all the trigger pulls will be the same? And if so, doesn't make the argument against different trigger pulls a non-issue if you chose to fire it this way?
        The Sig was not designed to be stored/carried with one in the chamber, hammer back. This is an unsafe condition and should only be used when firing the firearm. This is why there is a decocker on the Sig, so you can safely drop the hammer while a round is in the chamber, which allows for carrying/storing while loaded and ready.

        Guns such as the HK do have both a safety and a decocker on some of their models.
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        • #34
          Sturnovik
          Veteran Member
          • Feb 2010
          • 2937

          Its still a good skill to know the DA/SA. Heck I can do quick firing and quick reloads just fine, I own both striker and hammer fired. I don't prefer one over the other except for looks.

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          • #35
            Shenaniguns
            Calguns Addict
            • Dec 2006
            • 6158

            Originally posted by SCEvan
            I'm very new to guns, but you don't have to use the decocker, correct?

            I'll be picking up my first gun (Sig) when it's released next week. At the range, I'm planning to always use the decocker to put it into DA/SA mode. However, if I don't use the decocker, won't it be in SA and all the trigger pulls will be the same? And if so, doesn't make the argument against different trigger pulls a non-issue if you chose to fire it this way?

            You better learn to use the decocker before you reholster or end up with a hole in your leg, in fact it's a good idea to decock after every string of fire to make it habitual.
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            • #36
              SCEvan
              Junior Member
              • Sep 2010
              • 23

              Originally posted by Shenaniguns
              You better learn to use the decocker before you reholster or end up with a hole in your leg, in fact it's a good idea to decock after every string of fire to make it habitual.
              Thanks for the reply/warning from you and locosway. Like I mentioned, I will always use the decocker and it never even crossed my mind to carry it loaded or even store it loaded.

              I was just thinking for the topic in this thread, that if you're ready to shoot at the range then you aren't required to use the decocker.
              Last edited by SCEvan; 03-16-2011, 11:29 AM.

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              • #37
                Blue Ridge Reef
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 901

                What striker fired pistols even have a decocker? I like the feature on P99's and would be interested in other guns with them. Funny, the feature some find irritating others really like. Seems either Sig or H&K has some, perhaps it's a German thing.
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                • #38
                  Lead Waster
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Sep 2010
                  • 16650

                  Well, can't you just rack the slide or thumb the hammer to cock it and then just shoot your DA/SA in SA mode?

                  Then seperately practice your DA shooting?
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                  • #39
                    Sam
                    Calguns Addict
                    CGN Contributor
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 5205

                    Originally posted by BigFatGuy
                    Here's something that occurred to me. I've often heard people talk about how they dislike having two types of trigger on a DA/SA pistol.

                    Yet, when shooting "properly", you don't let the trigger go between shots, releasing it only far enough to reset.

                    Doesn't that give you two trigger pulls?
                    But the trigger pull from reset isn't heavier than a full pull from a cocked DA/SA pistol

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                    • #40
                      9mmepiphany
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 8075

                      Originally posted by Blue Ridge Reef
                      What striker fired pistols even have a decocker? I like the feature on P99's and would be interested in other guns with them. Funny, the feature some find irritating others really like. Seems either Sig or H&K has some, perhaps it's a German thing.
                      Well the only other one that comes to mind is the H&K P7.

                      BTW: while does take some practice to learn the DA trigger stroke, it is really the same skill as a SA trigger press...it is just over a longer distance.

                      The DA first shot, when shooting at speed, is neither slower or less accurate...at least out to 15 yards for me, maybe 20 yards if I've been diligent about practice. I don't change my finger position on the trigger between trigger pulls either.
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                      • #41
                        FieldsofFire
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 1879

                        I would think that in a real shoot scenario, you won't even know the difference between this trigger and that, much less be able to release the trigger just enough to have it reset before pulling it again with someone shooting at you.

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                        • #42
                          9mmepiphany
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 8075

                          Originally posted by MarioS
                          much less be able to release the trigger just enough to have it reset before pulling it again with someone shooting at you.
                          Actually, if you're not switching between different platforms all the time, the release only to the point of reset is automatic...that's why you shouldn't go with too light a trigger in a carry gun
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                          • #43
                            Sam
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                            CGN Contributor
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 5205

                            Originally posted by MarioS
                            I would think that in a real shoot scenario, you won't even know the difference between this trigger and that, much less be able to release the trigger just enough to have it reset before pulling it again with someone shooting at you.
                            I find myself resetting automatically with timed drills. I'm not sure what I would do if I needed to shoot someone but using the reset is automatic for me.

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                            • #44
                              BamBam-31
                              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                              • Dec 2005
                              • 5318

                              Originally posted by MarioS
                              I would think that in a real shoot scenario, you won't even know the difference between this trigger and that, much less be able to release the trigger just enough to have it reset before pulling it again with someone shooting at you.
                              Since most real shoot scenarios involve the "Rule of Fours" (less than four shots, less than four yards, less than four seconds), you probably won't even need to look at the sights. (And you probably won't need any mags greater than ten rounds, either. )

                              Nevertheless, it's a good idea to train yourself to shoot at speed using the sights. It's also a good idea to train yourself to release only to reset when shooting at speed. Kinda falls under the whole "Train like you fight, and you'll fight like you train" mentality. There are many stories where soldiers and/or LEO's fall back automatically on their training under duress, and it's often that same training that saved their lives.
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                              • #45
                                Kodemonkey
                                • Jun 2010
                                • 2904

                                Originally posted by BamBam-31
                                That would explain your complete mastery in hand skills.
                                ...and that he is left handed.

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