Sig P320

[sigstroker]

The P320 Sub-Compact was supposed to be a thing, but I think the P365 stole its thunder.

It WAS a thing, but SIG wanted to give the 365 a leg up, so they canceled the 320 subcompact. And pissed off a lot of 320 fans.

That's the thing with SIG's modular stuff like 320's, 365's, MCX's, MPX's, etc, is you tend to think "I can buy all this cool stuff like barrels, grip frames, and like that later". Better buy it now if you can afford it because SIG is not afraid to pull the plug on any of their product.

[hambam105]

Why carry a gun at all if carrying in condition 3?

Have you tried drawing and ahooting into an A zone on a shot timer?

In reference to a shot timer...

Has anyone seen a shot timer at a defensive shooting scene yet?

I've yet to discover a creditable FA instructor rip someone else for their choice of carry condition. I think Jeff Cooper might, might have in the
early days. However, in 1990, I clearly heard JC say, multiple times, that carry condition decision is up the individual or department policy.

[Nate]

In reference to a shot timer...

Has anyone seen a shot timer at a defensive shooting scene yet?

I've yet to discover a creditable FA instructor rip someone else for their choice of carry condition. I think Jeff Cooper might, might have in the
early days. However, in 1990, I clearly heard JC say, multiple times, that carry condition decision is up the individual or department policy.

I am sure a keyboard statistician will come up with multiple statics of defensive shoots with shot timers!! They will also show you with their McDojo Martial arts how to disarm them since they like to stand so close to their assailants!

[bcj128]

Still waiting for when the CA version of the M18 arrives?


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[Calier]

I totally respect the position, and I do constantly assess how I carry, but for now I'm comfortable with condition 3.

It's fine, until it isn't. I don't know if there is some incredibly deep hidden issue with the P320 that makes it go off without a trigger pull, what I do know is that literally thousands of people have shot themselves with Glocks, and other striker fired designs since they came onto the market. In an average year 492 people die from accidental discharges, over 3K more suffer severe injury. I can't find updated stats after 2020 at the moment, but I doubt it's moved much in the years following.

A lot of these accidents happen to people that train heavily, during holstering, or drawing.

Everyone is free to decide what risks they are willing to incur in their own carry, and training, but there is a mountain of evidence that suggests the risks of carrying chambered without a safety, or a hammer are vastly higher than carrying with a hammer, or a safety.

If you feel like that risk is ok for the second you gain drawing, cool. I don't, so I don't.

Zubba, what you preferred CCW?

[Nate]

I CCW'd my G20 in Custer State park the other day, it has a little more snap than the .40 with the real 10mm rounds.

Ok, so I occasionally/every blue moon carry my G29. What’s your point?

[Oldmandan]

The 365 is significantly smaller the the subcompact 320. The P320sc is the same size as a CZ P01

[Zubba]

Zubba, what you preferred CCW?

P365, HK P30SK LEM, G48/43

[9Cal_OC]

P365, HK P30SK LEM, G48/43

All condition 3?

[Zubba]

All condition 3?

The HK is the only one I'm willing to carry chambered, but I don't really carry it anymore. I would be willing to carry the P365 chambered with a safety, and the Glocks I only carry condition 3.

[educator]

the topic of how you carry always end in repetitions of "carry however you want", which frankly is a mindset derived from participation trophy culture. there is a safe and smart way to carry as a civilian, and that has been proven to be inside a good holster that covers the trigger area entirely, in condition 1. anything else is objective inferior and makes you a liability rather than an asset during a self defense incident. whether you think you are able to train yourself to overcome the handicaps you've imposed on yourself is irrelevant. everyone thinks they're john rambo, when they're more like barney fife when it comes to an actual gunfight. training is not enough, there are a host of autonomic responses you cannot possible anticipate until you've actually experienced a gunfight, not a simunition or paintball or airsoft scenario, a situation where the life and that of your family is on the line.

your gun is not there to comfort you, it's there as a tool to be used in the most effective way possible. to intentionally make it less effective because in your mind you're superman, is an incredible irresponsible way to carry.

[ap3572001]

the topic of how you carry always end in repetitions of "carry however you want", which frankly is a mindset derived from participation trophy culture. there is a safe and smart way to carry as a civilian, and that has been proven to be inside a good holster that covers the trigger area entirely, in condition 1. anything else is objective inferior and makes you a liability rather than an asset during a self defense incident. whether you think you are able to train yourself to overcome the handicaps you've imposed on yourself is irrelevant. everyone thinks they're john rambo, when they're more like barney fife when it comes to an actual gunfight. training is not enough, there are a host of autonomic responses you cannot possible anticipate until you've actually experienced a gunfight, not a simunition or paintball or airsoft scenario, a situation where the life and that of your family is on the line.

your gun is not there to comfort you, it's there as a tool to be used in the most effective way possible. to intentionally make it less effective because in your mind you're superman, is an incredible irresponsible way to carry.

Very well said! Per my departments policy , handgun carried ON OR OFF DUTY , must have round in the chamber. Period. If someone feels uncomfortable carrying a striker fired pistol in that condition, carry a double action semi auto ( with a round in the chamber) or DA revolver. All uses the same principle, You draw and pull the trigger.

[BajaJames83]

It WAS a thing, but SIG wanted to give the 365 a leg up, so they canceled the 320 subcompact. And pissed off a lot of 320 fans.

That's the thing with SIG's modular stuff like 320's, 365's, MCX's, MPX's, etc, is you tend to think "I can buy all this cool stuff like barrels, grip frames, and like that later". Better buy it now if you can afford it because SIG is not afraid to pull the plug on any of their product.

uh... the sub compact parts are still available and made...

[Nate]

the topic of how you carry always end in repetitions of "carry however you want", which frankly is a mindset derived from participation trophy culture. there is a safe and smart way to carry as a civilian, and that has been proven to be inside a good holster that covers the trigger area entirely, in condition 1. anything else is objective inferior and makes you a liability rather than an asset during a self defense incident. whether you think you are able to train yourself to overcome the handicaps you've imposed on yourself is irrelevant. everyone thinks they're john rambo, when they're more like barney fife when it comes to an actual gunfight. training is not enough, there are a host of autonomic responses you cannot possible anticipate until you've actually experienced a gunfight, not a simunition or paintball or airsoft scenario, a situation where the life and that of your family is on the line.

your gun is not there to comfort you, it's there as a tool to be used in the most effective way possible. to intentionally make it less effective because in your mind you're superman, is an incredible irresponsible way to carry.

The only thing I agree with is a quality holster covering the trigger. Everything else is just BS!

Assuming your not LEO. How many gunfights were you in before you had a CCW? How many gunfights have you been in since you had your CCW? How many times have you had to draw your weapon to defend yourself?? Unless your LEO, I'm guessing 0.

Telling someone else to carry in a certain way until they are ready is just plain stupid and irresponsible. You can tell them the advantages and disadvantages, but it there choice.

We have so many key board experts its absolutely amazing. You opinion is your opinion. Like the say, opinions are like ***** holes, everyone has one and the all stink.

[ap3572001]

The only thing I agree with is a quality holster covering the trigger. Everything else is just BS!

Assuming your not LEO. How many gunfights were you in before you had a CCW? How many gunfights have you been in since you had your CCW? How many times have you had to draw your weapon to defend yourself?? Unless your LEO, I'm guessing 0.

Telling someone else to carry in a certain way until they are ready is just plain stupid and irresponsible. You can tell them the advantages and disadvantages, but it there choice.

We have so many key board experts its absolutely amazing. You opinion is your opinion. Like the say, opinions are like ***** holes, everyone has one and the all stink.

Agree. After carrying a handgun most of my adult life ( at work and on my own time ) , I am open to share my experiences, preferences and opinions. I would NEVER tell someone how they should carry their weapons.