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  • #46
    Drivedabizness
    Veteran Member
    • Dec 2009
    • 2610

    Interesting side note:

    I have a deposit in on an M18/320. They told me "late August" so since its late August, I called them (Turners Roseville).

    They have NO IDEA when they are going to come in but have deposits on 2,000 of them.
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    • #47
      Nate
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2006
      • 1317

      Carry how you want. You will get keyboard statisticians all day long saying how carrying one way is better than the other. Or how one gun is better than the other.

      Until recently, getting a CCW in CA was near next to impossible in many areas. You shouldn't change your safety habits just because you have a CCW. Better to have in condition 3, than to not have in condition 1(Pre Bruen).

      For all you keyboard statisticians, I carry condition 1(G23). I am guessing now the statisticians are going to say how the .40 is too snappy and start sighting statistics.

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      • #48
        ap3572001
        Calguns Addict
        • Jun 2007
        • 6039

        Originally posted by Nate
        Carry how you want. You will get keyboard statisticians all day long saying how carrying one way is better than the other. Or how one gun is better than the other.

        Until recently, getting a CCW in CA was near next to impossible in many areas. You shouldn't change your safety habits just because you have a CCW. Better to have in condition 3, than to not have in condition 1(Pre Bruen).

        For all you keyboard statisticians, I carry condition 1(G23). I am guessing now the statisticians are going to say how the .40 is too snappy and start sighting statistics.
        Agree. I carry Glocks with a round in the chamber for 30 years. And only put my finger in the trigger guard when ready to fire.

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        • #49
          Packy14
          Calguns Addict
          • Jul 2008
          • 5312

          Originally posted by walmart_ar15
          I'll be warry in condition1 carry any striker fired except for Glock or P7. Most striker fired have the striker pin under full tension in condition 1. Even with a striker block, Murphy's Law can still bite.
          Do you feel the same with the 365 series?
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          • #50
            Packy14
            Calguns Addict
            • Jul 2008
            • 5312

            Originally posted by Zubba
            It's fine, until it isn't. I don't know if there is some incredibly deep hidden issue with the P320 that makes it go off without a trigger pull, what I do know is that literally thousands of people have shot themselves with Glocks, and other striker fired designs since they came onto the market. In an average year 492 people die from accidental discharges, over 3K more suffer severe injury. I can't find updated stats after 2020 at the moment, but I doubt it's moved much in the years following.

            A lot of these accidents happen to people that train heavily, during holstering, or drawing.

            Everyone is free to decide what risks they are willing to incur in their own carry, and training, but there is a mountain of evidence that suggests the risks of carrying chambered without a safety, or a hammer are vastly higher than carrying with a hammer, or a safety.

            If you feel like that risk is ok for the second you gain drawing, cool. I don't, so I don't.
            I would change to a non striker fired gun, maybe one with a hammer then. Carry with one in the chamber. Watch some ASP. You?ll see why.
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            • #51
              elx144
              CGN Contributor
              • Dec 2009
              • 1400

              I used my XFull for the Nevada CCW test and carry it in the winter with an OWB. I've carried my M-18 a few times but the G19 is easier to conceal and I don't trust running longer Sig mags in a compact grip without support. Supposedly the mags need to fit up against the grip or they can get stuck in the ejector.

              The Sigs are easier for me to shoot, but the RMR on my Glock makes up the difference.

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              • #52
                static2126
                Calguns Addict
                • Mar 2013
                • 5619

                Originally posted by Nate
                Carry how you want. You will get keyboard statisticians all day long saying how carrying one way is better than the other. Or how one gun is better than the other.

                Until recently, getting a CCW in CA was near next to impossible in many areas. You shouldn't change your safety habits just because you have a CCW. Better to have in condition 3, than to not have in condition 1(Pre Bruen).

                For all you keyboard statisticians, I carry condition 1(G23). I am guessing now the statisticians are going to say how the .40 is too snappy and start sighting statistics.
                Personally disagree. Condition 3 is how people get their guns taken

                Check out some acrive self protection. A gun isn't a talisman. Get trained or don't carrya t all

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                • #53
                  static2126
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Mar 2013
                  • 5619

                  Originally posted by Packy14
                  I would change to a non striker fired gun, maybe one with a hammer then. Carry with one in the chamber. Watch some ASP. You?ll see why.
                  Truth

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                  • #54
                    elx144
                    CGN Contributor
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 1400

                    Originally posted by Nate
                    Carry how you want. You will get keyboard statisticians all day long saying how carrying one way is better than the other. Or how one gun is better than the other.

                    Until recently, getting a CCW in CA was near next to impossible in many areas. You shouldn't change your safety habits just because you have a CCW. Better to have in condition 3, than to not have in condition 1(Pre Bruen).

                    For all you keyboard statisticians, I carry condition 1(G23). I am guessing now the statisticians are going to say how the .40 is too snappy and start sighting statistics.
                    I CCW'd my G20 in Custer State park the other day, it has a little more snap than the .40 with the real 10mm rounds.

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                    • #55
                      Gryff
                      CGSSA Coordinator
                      • May 2006
                      • 12686

                      The P320 Sub-Compact was supposed to be a thing, but I think the P365 stole its thunder.
                      My friends and family disavow all knowledge of my existence, let alone my opinions.

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                      • #56
                        Nate
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2006
                        • 1317

                        Originally posted by static2126
                        Personally disagree. Condition 3 is how people get their guns taken

                        Check out some acrive self protection. A gun isn't a talisman. Get trained or don't carrya t all
                        You can disagree all you want. By the way, that has to be the dumbest answer of the day. If you are that close where someone can grab your gun, your situational awareness failed.

                        Use your brain, just because you have a CCW, doesn?t mean you are superman. I bet you still go to the ATM at midnight just because you have a CCW.

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                        • #57
                          BajaJames83
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Jun 2011
                          • 6035

                          Originally posted by Gryff
                          The P320 Sub-Compact was supposed to be a thing, but I think the P365 stole its thunder.
                          it was a thing for a few year before the P365 came along.
                          You can still get the parts for a Sub Compact 320 they just dont sell them as complete guns anymore.
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                          USMC 2001-2012

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                          James Mattis: Nothing, I keep other people awake at night.

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                          • #58
                            elx144
                            CGN Contributor
                            • Dec 2009
                            • 1400

                            Originally posted by Nate
                            You can disagree all you want. By the way, that has to be the dumbest answer of the day. If you are that close where someone can grab your gun, your situational awareness failed.

                            Use your brain, just because you have a CCW, doesn?t mean you are superman. I bet you still go to the ATM at midnight just because you have a CCW.
                            The cooper color codes are designed to get you ready to let loose, not to get your firearm ready. It's a mental state you go through and your gat should already be ready for the changes in mental conditions you might encounter.

                            Sometimes people who you think are being friendly aren't your friends and your armament should already be the deciding factor. Without getting it ready for the change.

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                            • #59
                              elx144
                              CGN Contributor
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 1400

                              Originally posted by BajaJames83
                              it was a thing for a few year before the P365 came along.
                              You can still get the parts for a Sub Compact 320 they just dont sell them as complete guns anymore.
                              there's probably a flaw in the ejector when used with longer mags

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                              • #60
                                Nate
                                Senior Member
                                • Dec 2006
                                • 1317

                                Originally posted by elx144
                                The cooper color codes are designed to get you ready to let loose, not to get your firearm ready. It's a mental state you go through and your gat should already be ready for the changes in mental conditions you might encounter.

                                Sometimes people who you think are being friendly aren't your friends and your armament should already be the deciding factor. Without getting it ready for the change.
                                Did you use the word “gat”? Please tell me that was a spelling error. If it wasn’t, your credibility rivals Joey Biden.

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