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  • The Gleam
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Feb 2011
    • 11369

    Originally posted by Zenderfall
    54 Glocks listed, in actuality, only 19 distinct models:

    17, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 26, 27, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, and 39. The last three are .45 GAP, a caliber hardly anyone uses anymore, leaving practically only 16 models.
    And all of 'em beautifully butt-ugly, just as a Glock should be.

    If you want to be happy for the rest of your life,
    Never make a pretty woman your wife,
    So for my personal point of view,
    Get an ugly girl to marry you...


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    Originally posted by Librarian
    What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

    If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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    • Barang
      CGN Contributor
      • Aug 2013
      • 11559

      Originally posted by The Gleam
      And all of 'em beautifully butt-ugly, just as a Glock should be.

      If you want to be happy for the rest of your life,
      Never make a pretty woman your wife,
      So for my personal point of view,
      Get an ugly girl to marry you...


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      whoa! ugly gun and ugly wife? he'll appreciate you.

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      • classicman213
        Member
        • Jan 2021
        • 230

        Originally posted by The Gleam
        And all of 'em beautifully butt-ugly, just as a Glock should be.



        If you want to be happy for the rest of your life,

        Never make a pretty woman your wife,

        So for my personal point of view,

        Get an ugly girl to marry you...





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        • Palmaris
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
          CGN Contributor
          • Mar 2009
          • 6064

          Originally posted by The Gleam
          And all of 'em beautifully butt-ugly, just as a Glock should be.

          If you want to be happy for the rest of your life,
          Never make a pretty woman your wife,
          So for my personal point of view,
          Get an ugly girl to marry you...


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          That?s a statement! Can I add to my signature?
          sd_shooter:
          CGN couch patriots: "We the people!"

          In real life: No one

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          • Reno-Kid
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2021
            • 2181

            One other item mentioned in recent court papers is the 3 for 1 removal provision. We could see the return on prior removed models such as the HK expert.

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            • The Gleam
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Feb 2011
              • 11369

              Originally posted by Palmaris
              That?s a statement! Can I add to my signature?
              Don't ask me, ask 'Jimmy Soul'.... they're his words of wisdom since 1963.






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              Originally posted by Librarian
              What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

              If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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              • Zenderfall
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2017
                • 600

                NRA Pistol/Rifle Instructor
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                • Kidster
                  Member
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 410

                  So the 9th has granted the partial stay on the injunction. So can manufacturers start submitting handguns that currently have CLI and MDM?

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                  • ar15barrels
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 56937

                    Originally posted by Kidster
                    So the 9th has granted the partial stay on the injunction. So can manufacturers start submitting handguns that currently have CLI and MDM?
                    As long as the order was issued, that should mean that microstamping is enjoined and the roster should be open to handguns that meet all the remaining requirements.

                    What specific handguns are you thinking would be eligible?
                    The state's CLI requirement is not simply a painted extractor or a sight hole.
                    There also needs to be markings on the slide to explain if the chamber is loaded or not.
                    Randall Rausch

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                    Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
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                    Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
                    Most work performed while-you-wait.

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                    • Kidster
                      Member
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 410

                      Originally posted by ar15barrels
                      As long as the order was issued, that should mean that microstamping is enjoined and the roster should be open to handguns that meet all the remaining requirements.

                      What specific handguns are you thinking would be eligible?
                      The state's CLI requirement is not simply a painted extractor or a sight hole.
                      There also needs to be markings on the slide to explain if the chamber is loaded or not.
                      No specific handguns, just a question. But given your remarks there probably no handguns that have these two requirements that are not already on the roster. Thanks.

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                      • johncage
                        Banned
                        • Dec 2018
                        • 993

                        Originally posted by Kidster
                        No specific handguns, just a question. But given your remarks there probably no handguns that have these two requirements that are not already on the roster. Thanks.
                        the shield plus would be eligible. it is backwards compatible with shield 1 slide which has the lci cut out

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                        • Squidward
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 1779

                          I'm thinking that the CA Handgun Roster ruling may play out like "Freedom Week" did for magazines; a small window of opportunity considering the 1 in 30 handgun rule in place.

                          Thoughts?

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                          • 9Cal_OC
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Apr 2019
                            • 6653

                            Originally posted by Squidward
                            I'm thinking that the CA Handgun Roster ruling may play out like "Freedom Week" did for magazines; a small window of opportunity considering the 1 in 30 handgun rule in place.

                            Thoughts?
                            From The Gleam on page 3 of this thread:

                            Roster is not going away, just the microstamping, LCI, and magazine disconnect requirements.

                            Guns will still need drop/function safety testing to be listed on the Roster, which means it's highly unlikely any guns no longer in production (and not yet C&R) will ever appear for sale soon in CA as dealer inventory, for being on the Roster.

                            And it's unlikely any new production guns will be submitted and added to the Roster inside of the next 14 days, to be ready for sale and in stock at a dealer's inventory, even if Bonta and Newsom don't seek to block this.

                            So in essence, expect no changes in availability for quite some time, maybe a month at the earliest, if that's only if in fact a manufacturer was waiting in the wings with a gun ready to submit, all testing done, paperwork, fees paid - to sieze the moment.
                            Freedom isn't free...

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                            • ar15barrels
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 56937

                              Originally posted by Squidward
                              I'm thinking that the CA Handgun Roster ruling may play out like "Freedom Week" did for magazines; a small window of opportunity considering the 1 in 30 handgun rule in place.

                              Thoughts?
                              Not from either the cases that are currently working through the legal system as neither of the cases will actually kill the roster.
                              The cases are only going to change the requirements to the gun manufacturers so that gun manufacturers can add additional handguns to the roster.
                              Also, both judges have issued their preliminary injunctions with 14 day stays in place so that the state has time to appeal to the 9th.
                              If they do that with their final orders as well, then there absolutely will not be a freedom week as the state will certainly appeal before the clock runs out.
                              Randall Rausch

                              AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                              Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                              Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                              Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
                              Most work performed while-you-wait.

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                              • Russian Bot
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2021
                                • 517

                                Originally posted by Like2fly
                                I understand the frustration with the roster, but why the hate for cops or other exempt ones? PORAC (state wide police association) supported overturning the roster. If no cops were willing to sell off roster guns (for some $), then the off roster premium would sky rocket as the the very limited supply available would plummet as only a few that get intra-familial transfers or recent new residents from other states would be left. Why would you begrudge anyone from selling anything for what the market price is, unless that individual manipulated the market? There sure are a lot people on this site that that say they love this country and apple pie, but evidently don?t care for capitalism.
                                LEOs and their unions supported the roster, that support was talked about ALOT in advertising and around dinner tables in the state. Once SSE was killed off the same LEOs commenced with "providing the service" of buying at a discount and selling at a premium. Would you not consider that market manipulation? If Exxon Mobil supported drilling restriction laws in exchange for an exemption from those laws, then maxed out oil prices would we not be claiming market manipulation?
                                Apparently some of them forgot to review the laws around doing business without an FFL and ran afoul of the feds.
                                I'd bet money the only reason PORAC may be in support of overturning the roster is that it didn't extend to retirees who are now seeking an extension to their previous exemption.
                                Last edited by Russian Bot; 04-05-2023, 11:30 AM.

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