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  • classicman213
    Member
    • Jan 2021
    • 230

    Originally posted by jimbo74
    I wonder how many Calgunners died from holding their breath that the roster would go away in CA


    Haha, I guess it's the same way Saint Greta said the world would be over by now because climate change
    Only the ones who continuously cry about the premium prices [emoji23] yet still frequent this forum.

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    • ar15barrels
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jan 2006
      • 56937

      Originally posted by Thrashard340
      it's crazy that he would post this and admit that there are only 32 semi-autos vs 768 revolvers & single shots.
      There are 832 handguns on the roster.
      I sorted the full list by type and there are only 2 types which are Pistol and Revolver.
      There are 514 Pistols on the roster.
      There are 318 Revolvers on the roster.

      The count for manually operated or single shot pistols is as follows:
      Juggernaut has 12 manually operated AR pistols.
      Franklin has 3 manually operated AR pistols and one single shot P320.
      Second Amendment Zone has one single shot P320
      Total 17 non-semi-auto pistols.

      There might be others but I didn't care to scan every manufacturer looking for them.

      That leaves us 497 semi-auto and other types of pistols of which 32 have MDM and CLI features.
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      Most work performed while-you-wait.

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      • Thrashard340
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2011
        • 878

        Originally posted by ar15barrels
        There are 832 handguns on the roster.
        I sorted the full list by type and there are only 2 types which are Pistol and Revolver.
        There are 514 Pistols on the roster.
        There are 318 Revolvers on the roster.

        The count for manually operated or single shot pistols is as follows:
        Juggernaut has 12 manually operated AR pistols.
        Franklin has 3 manually operated AR pistols and one single shot P320.
        Second Amendment Zone has one single shot P320
        Total 17 non-semi-auto pistols.

        There might be others but I didn't care to scan every manufacturer looking for them.

        That leaves us 497 semi-auto and other types of pistols of which 32 have MDM and CLI features.
        Thanks for the breakdown. It is probably more work than you should need to be involved in. It certainly does not feel like there are 497 semi-autos available to us normal folks.

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        • benz510
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2009
          • 631

          Originally posted by Thrashard340
          Thanks for the breakdown. It is probably more work than you should need to be involved in. It certainly does not feel like there are 497 semi-autos available to us normal folks.
          It's probably because they are including different colors for one particular pistol/gun. For example. Glock 19 with a black frame, OD frame or FDE frame will be considered 3 alone.

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          • morrcarr67
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jul 2010
            • 14943

            Originally posted by ar15barrels
            There are 832 handguns on the roster.
            I sorted the full list by type and there are only 2 types which are Pistol and Revolver.
            There are 514 Pistols on the roster.
            There are 318 Revolvers on the roster.

            The count for manually operated or single shot pistols is as follows:
            Juggernaut has 12 manually operated AR pistols.
            Franklin has 3 manually operated AR pistols and one single shot P320.
            Second Amendment Zone has one single shot P320
            Total 17 non-semi-auto pistols.

            There might be others but I didn't care to scan every manufacturer looking for them.

            That leaves us 497 semi-auto and other types of pistols of which 32 have MDM and CLI features.
            Thanks for the list and work.

            Here's a small update for you:

            Camdon Defense has 2 manually operated AR pistols on the roster
            Total non-semi-auto pistols on the roster is now 19.

            That now leaves 495 semi-auto pistols on the roster.

            Originally posted by Thrashard340
            Thanks for the breakdown. It is probably more work than you should need to be involved in. It certainly does not feel like there are 497 495 semi-autos available to us normal folks.
            That's because there are really not 495 semi-auto pistols on the roster. There are much less when you take out the "variants" from the list.

            When you look at the Armscor list, you'll see that they list guns under different manufactures: Citadel, EFS, High Standard and Taylor's Tactical. They even made a revolver known as a FireStorm. All of those pistols they list are exact copies of their RIA guns. That lowers the number by 13 since you can get the same gun that says RIA vs the other brands.

            Beretta has 3 3032's, 8 92FS's with 4.9" barrels (I included the M9), 1 with a 4.3", 2 with 4.5" barrels, 2 with 4.7" barrels and 2 with 5" barrels. There are 9 model 96's and 4 PX4". So Beretta has 3 guns listed 31 times for the different variants. That lowers the number by 28.

            Quick look at Smith & Wesson. They have 3 22A's all with 5.5" barrels. There are 3 SD40's, there are 17 M&P Shields in 2 calibres and a bunch of different colors. So they have 23 listings for only 3 guns (4 if you separate calibres). That brings it down another 20 guns.

            I'm going to stop there as I'm sure you get the idea. With just taking out the variants from 3 manufactures it brings the list down to 434. You can go and do the same thing with probably every manufacture that has guns listed on the roster.

            I wouldn't be surprised that if we were to take out all the variants listed on the roster we'd probably have less than 150 semiauto pistols to actually choose from.
            Yes you can have 2 C&R 03 FFL's; 1 in California and 1 in a different state.

            Originally posted by Erion929

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            • Not-A-Gun-Grabber
              Junior Member
              • Dec 2021
              • 72

              Originally posted by benz510
              It's probably because they are including different colors for one particular pistol/gun. For example. Glock 19 with a black frame, OD frame or FDE frame will be considered 3 alone.
              There's also quite a few on there that aren't made anymore.

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              • Dvrjon
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Nov 2012
                • 11249

                Originally posted by Not-A-Gun-Grabber
                There's also quite a few on there that aren't made anymore.
                That would mean the manufacturer continues to pay the annual $200 fee to keep guns they don’t make on the roster.

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                • Not-A-Gun-Grabber
                  Junior Member
                  • Dec 2021
                  • 72

                  Originally posted by Dvrjon
                  That would mean the manufacturer continues to pay the annual $200 fee to keep guns they don?t make on the roster.
                  Some do. When was the last time you saw a Glock 19c? Or a CZ 2075 RAMI? Or a Sig P239?

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                  • morrcarr67
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Jul 2010
                    • 14943

                    Originally posted by Dvrjon
                    That would mean the manufacturer continues to pay the annual $200 fee to keep guns they don?t make on the roster.
                    Originally posted by Not-A-Gun-Grabber
                    Some do. When was the last time you saw a Glock 19c? Or a CZ 2075 RAMI? Or a Sig P239?
                    Yup, Auto Ordnance used to do that for years. They finally stopped a few years ago.

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                    Yes you can have 2 C&R 03 FFL's; 1 in California and 1 in a different state.

                    Originally posted by Erion929

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                    • vf111
                      Veteran Member
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 2600

                      Originally posted by Not-A-Gun-Grabber
                      Some do. When was the last time you saw a Glock 19c? Or a CZ 2075 RAMI? Or a Sig P239?
                      Sig P6 is another one.

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                      • Jkatout
                        Junior Member
                        • Dec 2020
                        • 69

                        Originally posted by Thrashard340
                        Thanks for the breakdown. It is probably more work than you should need to be involved in. It certainly does not feel like there are 497 semi-autos available to us normal folks.
                        These numbers are inflated. They are counting the same gun but different color or finish type as a separate guns. There are about 8-10 different Glock 19 gen 3’s? so do the math. Realistically I’d say there’s about 100 to choose from and some are complete piles of sh@t no one would ever buy anyway

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                        • morrcarr67
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Jul 2010
                          • 14943

                          Originally posted by vf111
                          Sig P6 is another one.
                          That's listed by an importer. They are keeping it on the roster in case they find another cache of them. They could easily sell them to CA dealers for more than dealers in free America.

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                          Yes you can have 2 C&R 03 FFL's; 1 in California and 1 in a different state.

                          Originally posted by Erion929

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                          • Dvrjon
                            CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                            • Nov 2012
                            • 11249

                            According to the Roster: 6 guns.

                            According to guns: 2 guns.



                            And that’s just from today’s Turner’s ad.
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                            • ar15barrels
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 56937

                              Originally posted by Thrashard340
                              Thanks for the breakdown. It is probably more work than you should need to be involved in. It certainly does not feel like there are 497 semi-autos available to us normal folks.
                              Some guns come in many different colors or sights or chamberings or barrel lengths or grip variants so the actual make/model count is much lower when you have many different variants of a model.

                              For example, there are 20 Springfield XD's on the roster covering 3 different chamberings and 3 different barrel lengths.

                              There are 54 glocks listed.
                              Randall Rausch

                              AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                              Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                              Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                              Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
                              Most work performed while-you-wait.

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                              • Zenderfall
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2017
                                • 600

                                54 Glocks listed, in actuality, only 19 distinct models:

                                17, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 26, 27, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, and 39. The last three are .45 GAP, a caliber hardly anyone uses anymore, leaving practically only 16 models.
                                NRA Pistol/Rifle Instructor
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                                NRA Pistol/Rimfire Rifle Distinguished Expert
                                NRA RSO, IDPA Safety Officer
                                NRA & CRPA Member
                                Veteran, 1994-1998

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