is there an AB 2847 fall-off list?

[Teachu2]

What happens when they have replaced the current list with 1/3 as many new models? Do they interpret the law to mean that they can continue to cut three for every new approval? Is there an actual hard floor, or do they let the manufacturers eat their own until nobody is left?

Death by a thousand cuts. Over-reach, then pull back only as far as the courts require, then attack from a slightly different angle. Distract with "concessions" like making adding to the roster possible, while simultaneously poisoning the process with a 3:1 penalty for complying with the now attainable standard.

And Califpatriot is dead right in his conclusion. If not Glock (LCI and magazine lock might be an issue), then other companies with models that only lack the microstamping requirement will rush to capture the California market. In short order, Gen3 Glocks will be forced off the roster, with or without Glock taking action to produce compliant guns.

How successful could a boycott be? If current market conditions persist, no boycott stands a chance. People who steadfastly preached that nobody needs to own a handgun are waiting hours in line to get on a waiting list to buy one. Manufacturers who have models in production that only need a microstamp striker or firing pin will be jockeying for market position like a flock of seagulls chasing Nemo's dad.

[Califpatriot]

In addition to all the sh**** features like LCI and mag-disconnect? Hard pass for some of us.

Assuming, Glock and Sig give in to making such designs.

Those are easily removable, as is the microstamped firing pin. The LCI and mag disconnect hasn't stopped the shield from selling like hotcakes.

If one company starts doing it and Glock and Sig stuff starts falling off the roster as a consequence, they'll likely do it to avoid losing the largest market in America.

[Califpatriot]

Only helps if the document already exists; even though the list could probably be generated in 30 seconds by running an existing query-script, PRAR can't make them run the query.

But they might provide the info if one simply asks. Might not, too.

That's why you have to word it right. I suggested a wording to accomplish that. They certainly have documents that show when a gun was first added to the roster. They may not be in a nice, easy to read file and may be thousands of pages.

[Califpatriot]

What happens when they have replaced the current list with 1/3 as many new models? Do they interpret the law to mean that they can continue to cut three for every new approval? Is there an actual hard floor, or do they let the manufacturers eat their own until nobody is left?

.

The text of the bill says they will eliminate at a 3:1 rate until every semi auto handgun on the Roster has microstamping, lci, mag disconnect, etc. At that point, they will stop eliminating (until of course they find some more stupid crap to require.) there is no maximum number of handguns that can be on the Roster so long as they each have the required "safety" features.

[floogy]

Our politicians don't listen to us, maybe gun manufacturers will - we need to ensure they know that producing a microstamping gun will result in a boycott from buyers and blackballing from CA dealers and FFL's of EVERY GUN they make.

I think some lessons were learned from the Armatix debacle. It's more than just CA, I think a New Jersey law was technically triggered when dumbass Oak Tree offered the Armatix for sale. But being a steaming pile of **** and almost every gun dealer in the US realizing that selling any kind of smart gun would make them a pariah put a pretty quick end to that stupidity.

Microstamping would be much the same. No gun maker wants to put their stamp on what is effectively an ineffective and restrictive technology. Criminals have been scraping off serial numbers well before 1968 when they were first required on new guns. It takes less than half a working brain to figure out how to sand off the little numbers.

[tigerpan]

Sht put the sig p320 series pistol on, it’s worth to lose 3 another pistol.

[AQuionIV]

Do we even know what pistols won't make the new roster? All I know is that Gen 3 Glocks won't. But that's the only one anyone ever talks about

[9Cal_OC]

Those are easily removable, as is the microstamped firing pin. The LCI and mag disconnect hasn't stopped the shield from selling like hotcakes.

If one company starts doing it and Glock and Sig stuff starts falling off the roster as a consequence, they'll likely do it to avoid losing the largest market in America.

But for conceal carry, id rather keep it stock.

[9Cal_OC]

Do we even know what pistols won't make the new roster? All I know is that Gen 3 Glocks won't. But that's the only one anyone ever talks about

That’s the only ones that matter

Well once they drop off and Glock doesn’t produce CA-legal ones, we’ll be like MA with no Glocks except from PPT or intrafamiliar transfer.

So the premium right now is actually a deal.

[speedydave]

is there an AB 2847 fall-off list?

[9Cal_OC]

You got time. Go back and buy a couple.

[k1dude]

The problem with a legal challenge is it will likely take a decade to work its way through the courts. So the law stands for that decade until it's overturned.

Notice the the new roster law has NOTHING to do with safe guns? I thought that was the whole point of the roster. Why do they need to remove safe guns from it?

[Teachu2]

The text of the bill says they will eliminate at a 3:1 rate until every semi auto handgun on the Roster has microstamping, lci, mag disconnect, etc. At that point, they will stop eliminating (until of course they find some more stupid crap to require.) there is no maximum number of handguns that can be on the Roster so long as they each have the required "safety" features.

Thank you for the clarification. It'd be funny if they ended up with MORE semi-autos on the roster!

[GeeBee49]

No matter how good or how popular a particular handgun is it is not worth losing three just to get it on the roster.

[Joust]

You got time. Go back and buy a couple.

Or three.