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  • LookItsJazzy
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2014
    • 90

    AR Pistol Help

    Hello all,
    I recently acquired an AR Pistol and im super excited for the build. But i have a few questions....


    1. What is the best ca comp kits you use? I would love for a smooth comp system that works best. Experience inputs would be amazing. I am close to running the 33.3 tac / Kingpin combo...

    I have these systems:
    33.3 tactical cal catch, AR Maglock gen 2,3,4 w Kingpin/Hyper switch, Juggernaut hellfighter

    2. I have a law tactical folder... I know i can run this, aslong as LOP does not exceed 13.5'...
    So what do you use to make this compliant? SBA3?
    Do you JB weld the stock? What options are there?
    How does the folder work with any of the maglock systems ?

    3. Does the raddlock qualify as a ca comp system?


    Thank you everyone for your inputs. I haven't kept up with any gun laws for awhile...
  • #2
    morrcarr67
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jul 2010
    • 15035

    Originally posted by LookItsJazzy
    Hello all,

    I recently acquired an AR Pistol and im super excited for the build. But i have a few questions....





    1. What is the best ca comp kits you use? I would love for a smooth comp system that works best. Experience inputs would be amazing. I am close to running the 33.3 tac / Kingpin combo...



    I have these systems:

    33.3 tactical cal catch, AR Maglock gen 2,3,4 w Kingpin/Hyper switch, Juggernaut hellfighter



    2. I have a law tactical folder... I know i can run this, aslong as LOP does not exceed 13.5'...

    So what do you use to make this compliant? SBA3?

    Do you JB weld the stock? What options are there?

    How does the folder work with any of the maglock systems ?



    3. Does the raddlock qualify as a ca comp system?





    Thank you everyone for your inputs. I haven't kept up with any gun laws for awhile...
    Don't put a stock on a pistol. It will make it an SBR.

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    • #3
      sigstroker
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jan 2009
      • 19741

      The best thing about an SBA3 is that it can collapse. If you make it so it can't collapse you might as well use a Shockwave Blade. Be sure to get the dimpled receiver extension too.

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      • #4
        LookItsJazzy
        Junior Member
        • Dec 2014
        • 90

        Originally posted by morrcarr67
        Don't put a stock on a pistol. It will make it an SBR.

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        Oh no! I was thinking of throwing one a SBA3 and getting the LOP stock stopper to make it where you cannot adjust the stock at all..

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        • #5
          LookItsJazzy
          Junior Member
          • Dec 2014
          • 90

          Originally posted by sigstroker
          The best thing about an SBA3 is that it can collapse. If you make it so it can't collapse you might as well use a Shockwave Blade. Be sure to get the dimpled receiver extension too.
          Ah thank you! ill look into that

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          • #6
            sigstroker
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jan 2009
            • 19741

            Originally posted by LookItsJazzy
            Oh no! I was thinking of throwing one a SBA3 and getting the LOP stock stopper to make it where you cannot adjust the stock at all..
            You can do that but it's sort of the expensive route. The SBA3 is softer than the Blade, but if it's just a 5.56 the recoil is probably not going to bother you. I've shot mine with 5.56 and Blackout and wasn't bothered.

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            • #7
              4P0X1
              Member
              • Jun 2010
              • 321

              Originally posted by LookItsJazzy
              Oh no! I was thinking of throwing one a SBA3 and getting the LOP stock stopper to make it where you cannot adjust the stock at all..
              I don't believe you have to worry about the SBA3 being adjustable or not because it's not a stock...

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              • #8
                LookItsJazzy
                Junior Member
                • Dec 2014
                • 90

                Originally posted by 4P0X1
                I don't believe you have to worry about the SBA3 being adjustable or not because it's not a stock...

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                • #9
                  Quiet
                  retired Goon
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 30242

                  Originally posted by LookItsJazzy
                  Exactly... but I’m hearing that ATF requires LOP to be 13.5”?
                  Per BATFE...

                  1. An arm stablizing brace by itself is legal.

                  2. Installing an arm stablizing brace on a Title 1 Handgun or a Title 1 Other with the intent to use it as intended, does not change the classification of the firearm.

                  3. Using the arm stablizing brace as intended (strapped/brace to forearm of the trigger hand), does not change the classification of the firearm.

                  4. Using the arm stablizing brace in an alternative non-intended method that causes incidental or sporadic contact with the shoulder, does not change the classification of the firearm.

                  5. Installing an arm stablizing brace on a Title 1 Handgun or a Title 1 Other with the intent to use it as a shoulder stock, does change the classification of the firearm to a Title 2 SBR.

                  6. Modifying the arm stablizing brace and/or the Title 1 Handgun or Title 1 Other, in order to make it easier to shoulder, does change the classification of the firearm to a Title 2 SBR.

                  7. If an arm stablizing brace has a length of pull that is greater than 13.5", then it is considered a shoulder stock.

                  8. In order to measure the overall length of a Title 1 Handgun, Title 1 Other, or Title 2 AOW; the arm stablizing brace is removed (if it's not permanently attached) or folded/collapsed (if it's permanently attached).
                  ^This matters when determining if it is legal under Federal laws/regulations to attach a vertical forward grip to the firearm.

                  None of the above is applicable to CA SBR/SBS laws.
                  Last edited by Quiet; 04-20-2020, 8:36 PM.
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                  • #10
                    yrs
                    Member
                    • Nov 2016
                    • 388

                    Originally posted by LookItsJazzy
                    2. I have a law tactical folder... I know i can run this, aslong as LOP does not exceed 13.5'...
                    So what do you use to make this compliant? SBA3?
                    Do you JB weld the stock? What options are there?
                    How does the folder work with any of the maglock systems ?
                    I cringe seeing "stock" mentioned when talking about AR pistol. Forget that word when talking about AR pistol, just repeat brace, brace, brace...

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                    • #11
                      stilly
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Jul 2009
                      • 10685

                      Originally posted by yrs
                      I cringe seeing "stock" mentioned when talking about AR pistol. Forget that word when talking about AR pistol, just repeat brace, brace, brace...
                      Yes.

                      STOP SAYING THAT...

                      Intent is everything...

                      I run a DB-15 in 5.56 and the recoil is NOT there. I can hold the pistol out on my outstretched arm and shoot with practically no muzzle rise at all. It is great. I also have a Hellfighter installed. I aint thrilled about it, but it DOES work.

                      I also run a pistol buffer tube only because that was how it came.

                      As for a comp, I run a cookie cutter muzzle brake, but a Fire Pig would be cool too I bet.
                      7 Billion people on the planet. They aint ALL gonna astronauts. Some will get hit by trains...

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                      And remember- 99.9% of the lawyers ruin it for the other .1%...

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                      • #12
                        enorbit3
                        Veteran Member
                        • Oct 2011
                        • 2655

                        If you get the sba3 or another collapsible brace then use either strike industries stock stop or sb tactical plugs for the buffer tube.

                        Raddlock no longer qualifies as a compliance device.
                        Last edited by enorbit3; 04-21-2020, 2:29 PM.
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                        • #13
                          enorbit3
                          Veteran Member
                          • Oct 2011
                          • 2655

                          Double post
                          Last edited by enorbit3; 04-21-2020, 2:29 PM.
                          LAPD CCW Timeline:
                          Application Sent/Rec'd - 10/11/22
                          Interview Scheduled - 2/20/22
                          Interview & Live Scan- 2/21/22
                          DOJ/FBI - 2/22/23
                          CCW Training - 2/25/23
                          Firearms - 3/1/23
                          LAPD CCW Approval Call - 3/20/23
                          CCW Permit Issued/picked up - 4/11/23

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                          • #14
                            Mute
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 8570

                            You do not need to worry about the SBA3 brace as long as length of pull does not exceed 13.5" at is maximum length. It's fine if it collapses or is even foldable. It's not a stock. Its longest length, IIRC is 9.5" so you don't have to do anything to make it legal. You have a pistol. The only thing you have to be concerned with is not putting a stock on it and making sure the magazine is fixed.
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                            • #15
                              sigstroker
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 19741

                              The problem is the Law Tactical folder device adds an inch or two.

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