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  • #31
    Lead Waster
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Sep 2010
    • 16650

    Originally posted by kozumasbullitt
    This is where you are incorrect, it's not a free market. The sale of off roster guns for over MSRP is only possible because the market is restricted. A Gen5 Glock is a $500 pistol, nothing makes it worth $800-$1000 aside from its unavailability to the general public via legislation.
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    • #32
      kozumasbullitt
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      • Oct 2009
      • 2912

      Not exactly the same because free market restrictions are not imposed by the government. In addition, free market competition can exist between competing vendors within a stadium. In California, there is no competition because an average Joe can't purchase off roster. It is a slippery slope argument because anything limited can be used as a comparison.

      My analogy is, what if the government restricted flu vaccinations to the general public and gave exemptions to certain individuals. If exempt individuals sold vaccines to the general public for two to three times the retail price, the price other ordinary citizens pay in other territories (retail), and you are restricted from purchasing outside of your territory, is that a free market?

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      • #33
        Citadelgrad87
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        • Mar 2007
        • 16962

        Originally posted by golfrj
        Negotiate!! Most knowledgeable sellers start high so they can give you something OFF.. I spent a lifetime in Sales and learned "Ya Gotta Give Them Something"!
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        • #34
          Blade Gunner
          Veteran Member
          • Mar 2013
          • 4422

          Other than if your a south paw, there is no added value to pay off roster premiums for a Gen 4 or 5. The one exception being the MOS versions as converting your Gen 3 to a MOS (especially a long barrel versions) will cost as much or more than just paying the off roster premium.
          If you find yourself in a fair fight, you're doing it all wrong.

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          • #35
            johnk518
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            • Mar 2018
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            • #36
              meno377
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              • Jul 2013
              • 4911

              Originally posted by kozumasbullitt
              This is where you are incorrect, it's not a free market. The sale of off roster guns for over MSRP is only possible because the market is restricted. A Gen5 Glock is a $500 pistol, nothing makes it worth $800-$1000 aside from its unavailability to the general public via legislation.
              My post wasn't about off roster handguns.
              Originally posted by Fjold
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              • #37
                Che762x39
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                • Aug 2011
                • 4538

                Good point. It is still just a hot dog preferably all beef wrapped in bacon.

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                • #38
                  tipoc
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 630

                  If you see a gun offered at a price you don't like, make an offer.

                  If you see a gun offered at a price you don't like, look at the extras. Often there are extras.

                  Folks often offer to sell Glocks that they have worked over and "upgraded" and that's why they are offered at $800. or more.

                  I sort of agree with meno377 on this one. Often a gun priced at the "same price as a new one" comes with extra mags, a holster, new sights, etc.

                  If a person offers a gun that is "too high" in my opinion I can ignore it or make an offer. I can also watch it and see if the price comes down...which happens.

                  Sometimes a seller doesn't know where to set the price at cuz they don't have the experience. Sometimes it's too high, sometimes too low.

                  It never annoys me or pisses me off if it is "too high". It's nothing personal to me. The seller has no obligation to make me happy...unless I buy the gun. Then it should be in working order and as described. Otherwise I'll be on 'em like Sam Spade on Wilmer.

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                  • #39
                    aspenvalley
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                    • Sep 2016
                    • 693

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                    • #40
                      meno377
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                      • Jul 2013
                      • 4911

                      Originally posted by aspenvalley
                      I feel the only reason to buy a used Glock is to get a package deal. If it comes with sights you like and maybe a holster and if you can get a fair deal then I say go for it. You should be able to get a new Glock of $499 all day long. For me it not worth the hassle on try to save the tax by paying 500 for a used Glock. The DROS is $10 more as well.
                      Paying 500 for a glock from a seller with a 100% iTrader rating and the gun is basically brand new IS worth it. Why pay $40.00-$50.00 more in tax?
                      Originally posted by Fjold
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                      • #41
                        DVSmith
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                        • Dec 2007
                        • 3702

                        Originally posted by srt2806
                        Not again.
                        I know, right? And yet we both clicked on this thread... Like watching a train wreck, it is impossible to look away.

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                        • #42
                          Michael777
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                          • Apr 2016
                          • 894

                          Originally posted by meno377
                          Riflegear had them.

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                          • #43
                            meno377
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                            • Jul 2013
                            • 4911

                            Originally posted by Michael777
                            Just called riflegear. They’re sold out now.

                            Again. I sold a Glock 17 gen 4 with some holster wear for 500 not too long ago so I don’t appreciate you trying to assassinate my character.

                            You guys in oc are lucky to have rifle gear. I only hear good things about them.
                            Then don't complain here by creating this type of thread. Fact is you advertised that rtf2 for $550.00. Either you aren't experienced with the market or you were deliberately asking that much knowing the price was high. AGAIN I don't care how much you ask, but creating this thread is disingenuous and hypocritical.

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                            Originally posted by Michael777
                            2 things I’d like to gripe about...

                            1) Why would I buy your used Glock for 500 when the LGS will sell me a brand new one for the same price? True, I have to pay tax of ~$50 bucks more but I get a BRAND NEW Glock. $450 is more reasonable.
                            I love glocks and I love gun owners. Not bashing anyone. However, let’s be more reasonable folks. Thank you.
                            Last edited by meno377; 09-04-2018, 3:16 PM.
                            Originally posted by Fjold
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                            • #44
                              tipoc
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                              • Jan 2008
                              • 630

                              Originally posted by boopiejones
                              You don’t need to be a cop to get a blue label Glock. Sign up for the Glock sport shooting foundation ($60 for a two year membership) and they send you a coupon for a $425 glock every year. And they have three mags instead of two.
                              So Glock gives away guns? Every year a new gun? For $30. a year they give you a free gun?

                              tipoc
                              Last edited by tipoc; 09-04-2018, 8:49 PM.

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                              • #45
                                Michael777
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2016
                                • 894

                                Originally posted by meno377
                                Then don't complain here by creating this type of thread. Fact is you advertised that rtf2 for $550.00. Either you aren't experienced with the market or you were deliberately asking that much knowing the price was high. AGAIN I don't care how much you ask, but creating this thread is disingenuous and hypocritical.

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                                Sorry I triggered you. We have a clear misunderstanding.

                                I think rarer glocks should go for more. I think the fact that glocks keep such high used value is the most praise for how good they are. Rtf2 are limited and rare. Gen 5 are even more scarce. A used gen 3 in Cali is not rare.

                                Edit: gen 4 have been around for quite a bit. Their value should be a fraction more than a gen 3.

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